The problem or disconnect is the morality gap.
Some people, like me, think abortion in most circumstances is pretty ****ing disgusting and morally depraved. Some people, like Backfire, see it as preventing an unwanted child from being born (and as a women's rights privilege, and as a money saver, etc.).
Since I view reproductive knowledge as something so fundamentally easy to obtain (and most children by 11 or 12 know enough about it to know exactly how you get pregnant), I think it is dumb and immoral that women get pregnant who fully anticipate aborting those pregnancies: the responsibility is with the men, as well. Accidents happen. That's understandable.
But abortions are being used in lieu of proper birth control approaches by the extreme majority.
Here are the top 3 reasons for abortions:
Unready for responsibility <-Birth Control
Can't afford baby now <-Birth Control
Concern about how having a baby would change her life. <-Birth Control
Hooray for uncomfortable topics.
Originally posted by dadudemonI think most people agree that abortion should not be used as birth control, but do you also agree that the government should fund valid birth control (in a private and uncomplicated manner) for anyone that wants it?
The problem or disconnect is the morality gap.Some people, like me, think abortion in most circumstances is pretty ****ing disgusting and morally depraved. Some people, like Backfire, see it as preventing an unwanted child from being born (and as a women's rights privilege, and as a money saver, etc.).
Since I view reproductive knowledge as something so fundamentally easy to obtain (and most children by 11 or 12 know enough about it to know exactly how you get pregnant), I think it is dumb and immoral that women get pregnant who fully anticipate aborting those pregnancies: the responsibility is with the men, as well. Accidents happen. That's understandable.
But abortions are being used in lieu of proper birth control approaches by the extreme majority.
Here are the top 3 reasons for abortions:
Unready for responsibility <-Birth Control
Can't afford baby now <-Birth Control
Concern about how having a baby would change her life. <-Birth ControlHooray for uncomfortable topics.
Originally posted by dadudemon
. Some people, like Backfire, see it as preventing an unwanted child from being born (and as a women's rights privilege, and as a money saver, etc.).
Perhaps if they didn't make normal birth control so difficult to obtain (as a means to keep women under control) and men were willing to wrap their dicks, there'd be fewer abortions.
Planned Parenthood can be very helpful in obtaining said birth control. I had a friend who used to get BC pills through a PP but couldn't when the state of Texas shut down most all of the clinics.
They also help test for STDs. All of which is very expensive when you have employers that want to restrict health insurance from issuing BC based on "religious" reasons.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's more to that line of argument. There's also the argument that it might be less cruel to abort a child than give it a life of misery and poverty.
There's an even more wide-reaching (if distasteful) argument; there's evidence that people are aware whether they are at a good point in their lives or have the social surroundings to be effective parents and due to that selection, abortion vastly decreases the amount of disenfranchised, young people, thereby decreasing crime considerably.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think most people agree that abortion should not be used as birth control, but do you also agree that the government should fund valid birth control (in a private and uncomplicated manner) for anyone that wants it?
Yes and no.
Yes because birth control is a trillion times better than an aborted baby, obviously.
No because of religious reasons: people don't want to pay for stuff that goes against some of their fundamental beliefs.
Usually, these decisions are made based on libertarian ideals. Maximize rights. But I see two clashing ideas of freedom:
1. Some people don't want their taxes to be used in a way that directly contradicts their religious beliefs.
2. I want maximum individual rights which includes reproductive choices (such as using birth control and having the tax funding to make birth control free).
3. The right of the unborn baby is dubious, at best. Does this developing baby have any right to life? If so, when does that right to life begin?
Obviously, I listed those in ascending order of right importance.
This is such a difficult topic to work through. There is a thread for it, obviously, and I think I'm taking us slightly off topic. But I have a hard time reconciling all of the rights. How can we let everyone have maximum rights in all 3 scenarios?
I think the best outcome is free contraceptives. Especially the one where men get some shots and they don't have to worry about children for 10 years...to me, that's the best option.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's more to that line of argument. There's also the argument that it might be less cruel to abort a child than give it a life of misery and poverty.
IMAO, that's a poor argument, the extreme majority of the time. Almost all children are not going to be miserable, even in poverty. There will be extreme cases, clearly, but they are extreme exceptions. For the most part, they will be happy children with decent lives. Could be much better lives, of course. But I've never bought into the "they would have been miserable in poverty" argument. They won't.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the best outcome is free contraceptives. Especially the one where men get some shots and they don't have to worry about children for 10 years...to me, that's the best option..
So, just to clarify, you would be in favour of "free" contraceptives? Maybe more specifically, would you be for free and easy access to the pill? Most people, even religious ones, actually don't seem too opposed to condoms.
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, just to clarify, you would be in favour of "free" contraceptives? Maybe more specifically, would you be for free and easy access to the pill? Most people, even religious ones, actually don't seem too opposed to condoms.
Yes. I, personally, would love my taxes to go to pay for contraceptives. I have no religious or personal objections to approved contraceptives.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes. I, personally, would love my taxes to go to pay for contraceptives. I have no religious or personal objections to approved contraceptives.
Cool, cool. That's the good thing about democracy, you get to spend the minorities money even if they cry about it...(unless the supreme court intervenes, obvs, but you win some you lose some)....
Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
Perhaps if they didn't make normal birth control so difficult to obtain (as a means to keep women under control) and men were willing to wrap their dicks, there'd be fewer abortions.Planned Parenthood can be very helpful in obtaining said birth control. I had a friend who used to get BC pills through a PP but couldn't when the state of Texas shut down most all of the clinics.
They also help test for STDs. All of which is very expensive when you have employers that want to restrict health insurance from issuing BC based on "religious" reasons.
Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring cause of their screw up.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring cause of their screw up.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Maybe women should be more responsible and not spread their legs for every swinging dick that passes by. Then to not have to kill off their offspring cause of their screw up.
That is the most misogynistic thing I've heard in a while. Congrats.
I'm not going to respond to it because it's a preposterous statement from a loon.
I have many friends that don't even use condoms in long term relationships that avoid getting pregnant. It's called being an adult and knowing when the partner is cycling and taking birth control and not being silly. The people that go to planned parenthood for abortions are careless, irresponsible and pathetic. If you do the crime, you do the time. PP Is a get out of jail free card.
Anyways this isn't about abortions. This is about them selling baby parts to buy cars for themselves.
I might be a loon but your the screw up.😂