Mr. Fantastic Vs Captain America

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Just had a look at BAVs post.

Yes. We all believe in CIS. Look it up yourself. Its a forum rule. Lol.

Yes, a rule that even got expanded eventually (CIP).

So what none prep fighting feats does Reed have?

well, he had a decent showing vs hulk but lost. he THINK he's beaten doom somehow, but can't recall all the details. sue has kicked his arse and ben has ko'd him. given the length of his history, he really doesn't engage in straight 1on1 battles very often.... i only know because i researched him not TOO long ago... i'm sure i'm missing a few, but i distinctly recall being underwhelmed by his combat history and feats.

The only solid Reed feat I can think about, was one of his fights against the Sub-Mariner. It was high-end, though.

Cap could never put Reed down. He has nothing but concussive force and not high end at that. I think the Hulk hits a little harder.

Reed got destroyed by the Hulk in mere panels...

So it seems, to take am average, the Namor/Hulk fights are high end outliers.

The DD/Spidey/Wolverine fights are on the other end.

With losses in his highs....

So on average , he loses. Relying solely on his fight with Hulk - which he lost - sounds like relying on PIS. After all, Spidey has taken on Firelord. BP has taken on Surfer.

Wait... how is Cap going to physically hurt Reed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So it seems, to take am average, the Namor/Hulk fights are high end outliers.

The DD/Spidey/Wolverine fights are on the other end.

With losses in his highs....

So on average , he loses. Relying solely on his fight with Hulk - which he lost - sounds like relying on PIS. After all, Spidey has taken on Firelord. BP has taken on Surfer.

Pretty sure Cap has better showings vs. Namor and Banner, btw.

People keep forgetting that Reed is not even close to Plastic Man levels.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Wait... how is Cap going to physically hurt Reed?

The same way it always happens. Just punch the nerd in the face.

Same way Spidey, Wolverine, Daredevil et al have.

Logically, Reed stomps. But he's been affected so many times before, by people in Caps tier, for it to be discounted.

That's why this site exists, right. Otherwise we'd just use Marvels' power scales to determine fights.

I was thinking of Plastic Man, got them mixed up. Isn't one of these stretchy guys invulnerable to physical harm?

Originally posted by The Nuul
Wait... how is Cap going to physically hurt Reed?

Same thing I said. I wondered if we are somehow talking about a different Reed.

Originally posted by The Nuul
I was thinking of Plastic Man, got them mixed up. Isn't one of these stretchy guys invulnerable to physical harm?

You're thinking of the superior DC original, who is more powerful.

Reed gets hurt by bullets:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're thinking of the superior DC original, who is more powerful.

Reed gets hurt by bullets:

It happened again in FF 374, Wolverine could not cut Reed at all.

Here's Reed taking massive blunt force attacks and withstanding it :

Cyke and Sue were turned into Hounds by Ahab and they were bloodlusted trying to kill their friends. Reed took Cykes blasts and lived.

Originally posted by zopzop
Context? Because if those are 'normal' bullets, they > Wolverine's claws :

It happened again in FF 374, Wolverine could not cut Reed at all.

Here's Reed taking massive blunt force attacks and withstanding it :

Cyke and Sue were turned into Hounds by Ahab and they were bloodlusted trying to kill their friends. Reed took Cykes blasts and lived.

Never said if they were special bullets or not. Tasky was not shown prepping.

But Spidey had no special feet:

Always thought Tasky hit him with some kind of energy beam.

Piercing durability-wise, Richards is great. He just sucks when it comes to blunt force.

@DS No special feet and no special fists, either. He bloodies Reed's nerd face later in the very same event.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said if they were special bullets or not. Tasky was not shown prepping.

But Spidey had no special feet:

If he can resist a bloodlusted Cyclops' optic blasts and Wolverine's claws, the bullets and Spider kick are PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop
Here he is again resisting Wolverine's claws :

If he can resist a bloodlusted Cyclops' optic blasts and Wolverine's claws, the bullets and Spider kick are PIS.

There's also his Daredevil fight (Stilt may have the scans?)

Namor was beating him up until Torch/IW stepped in (high end of course, but shows physical concussive blows still affect him).

Wolverine has also apparently bloodied Reed's face.

Then there's all the times he HAS been KOed. So physical force - against all logic- affects him.

Maybe it's a mental thing? Who knows. But he's not immune to punches.