So why are your showings legit, but Daredevil, Taskmaster, Spiderman et al PIS?
Once, maybe. But its happened a fair few times, over the entire history....I mean, when WW is talked about having light speed reactions, people laugh and point out the times she's been tagged.
How many times before its not PIS?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why are your showings legit, but Daredevil, Taskmaster, Spiderman et al PIS?
Once, maybe. But its happened a fair few times, over the entire history....I mean, when WW is talked about having light speed reactions, people laugh and point out the times she's been tagged.How many times before its not PIS?
Originally posted by zopzopBecause writers are idiots. If he's survived being riddled by bullets back when he was first learning to use his powers, why would he all of a sudden lose this ability after YEARS of training? Does that make sense?
He's survived being stretched to his limit by Hulk, he's been hit with a bloodlusted Cyclops' optic blast, he's absorbed grenade and missile strikes (need to find the scans), etc.. How the phuck does it make sense that a stick to the throat or a punch from Spiderman is gonna KO him? [/B]
He's also been KOed numerous times by explosions. On average, across all his showings, I'd wager (having not read every Reed appearance, obv) that his average is that he is affected by physical force.
Namor, Ben, Hulk, Wolverine, Daredevil, Spiderman, Taskmaster...
I mean, the events all happened, in canon comics. Like I said, logically, it makes no sense - but they are what they are. Beyonders getting killed by heralds? Why not. Phoenix being taken out by dragons? Sure. We just have to suck it up. Otherwise we might as well just use handbooks and power ratings.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's also been KOed numerous times by explosions. On average, across all his showings, I'd wager (having not read every Reed appearance, obv) that his average is that he is affected by physical force.Namor, Ben, Hulk, Wolverine, Daredevil, Spiderman, Taskmaster...
I mean, the events all happened, in canon comics. Like I said, logically, it makes no sense - but they are what they are. Beyonders getting killed by heralds? Why not. Phoenix being taken out by dragons? Sure. We just have to suck it up. Otherwise we might as well just use handbooks and power ratings.
But the match is with Steve, and guy who doesn't have explosive, EP, Psi, any of that good stuff. The match up favors Reed. All the skill in the world could not prevent Reed from simply smothering him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's also been KOed numerous times by explosions. On average, across all his showings, I'd wager (having not read every Reed appearance, obv) that his average is that he is affected by physical force.Namor, Ben, Hulk, Wolverine, Daredevil, Spiderman, Taskmaster...
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But the match is with Steve, and guy who doesn't have explosive, EP, Psi, any of that good stuff. The match up favors Reed. All the skill in the world could not prevent Reed from simply smothering him.
Originally posted by zopzop
Look at that lineup you listed : Namor (CL100), Ben (Cl100), Hulk (Cl100), then you have Wolverine (peak human), Daredevil (peak human), Spiderman (Cl20). You don't see the PIS? You don't see the difference between eating a punch from a CL100 being vs a low level meta?Don't be so sure. With PIS/CIS involved Americaforce > all!
I don't know how anyone can say this is anything but PIS/CIS. We don't vote on that basis. That's why the terms exist. The bottom line is people can't wrpa their heads around a character like Reed who is a nerd and no martial arts expertise beating a fighting machine like Steve, but Reed doesn't have to be a great fighter to beat him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same way Spidey, Wolverine, Daredevil et al have.Logically, Reed stomps. But he's been affected so many times before, by people in Caps tier, for it to be discounted.
That's why this site exists, right. Otherwise we'd just use Marvels' power scales to determine fights.
