ISIS Gunman strikes Marine Recruiters

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The truly disturbing thing about the current era is people this day and age just don't care about trying to hide how horrible they are. They will advertise it and talk to the media about it. Or brag about it on Facebook or Twitter.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Iran detains Americans and imprisons them without cause, seems the whole nation is bigots to me.

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn an entire nation of people because of something their government did.

I'd also point out that the issue above is likely politically based and not racial.

Originally posted by Surtur
The truly disturbing thing about the current era is people this day and age just don't care about trying to hide how horrible they are. They will advertise it and talk to the media about it. Or brag about it on Facebook or Twitter.

Star428 is a perfect example of that in here. He seems to view his bigotry and racism as some sort of medal.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Iran detains Americans and imprisons them without cause, seems the whole nation is bigots to me.

Xenophobic maybe, but most Americans who end up getting detained are Iranian Americans, so calling it racism or bigotry is silly.

3/4 currently held Americans are of Iranian background, and the fourth is an ex-FBI agent, so racism is probably the last reason why the Iranians seized him.

Hence why we should keep the sanctions on them until a revolution.

Originally posted by Robtard
Star428 is a perfect example of that in here. He seems to view his bigotry and racism as some sort of medal.

Hell in this generation we have raised people so stupid they post about illegal activities on facebook, and some of them even put up *videos* of themselves committing crimes. I'd be curious to see the stats on the amount of people busted via their own social media pages for crimes.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hence why we should keep the sanctions on them until a revolution.

Hasn't happened in the last 35 or so years.

What hasn't?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hence why we should keep the sanctions on them until a revolution.

I don't think that would be a likely outcome of sustained sanctions. And if a revolution did break out, it wouldn't be a quick and easy one like the Islamic Revolution in 1979. It would be more like the Syrian Civil War on a horrifically larger scale. That, or it would be crushed rather quickly.

Western countries putting sanctions on Iran isn't exactly the greatest sales pitch for Western values.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What hasn't?

Iranian's overthrowing their government because of sanctions.

Originally posted by Robtard
Iranian's overthrowing their government because of sanctions.

Yes.

Their government, even with sanctions, appears really stable. It should also be noted that, like us, they can change their direction with elections, so even if things are going poor, they can just toss out one party and replace it with another. Indeed, this already happened, they tossed out their more loud-mouth aggressive president with a less aggressive one when they thought the former wasn't accomplishing anything.

There's not even any signs that their government as a whole is becoming unstable.

And at the same time, the sanctions couldn't be kept on forever- Russia and China were onboard with them, but *only* as long as it was to prevent Iran from getting nukes. If it begins to look like it's just the US wanting to keep them on indefinitely, then Russia will start buying Iranian oil, and the sanctions will falter, and we'll have gained nothing.

It's better to get something in exchange for dropping the sanctions, then to keep them on until we lose the capacity to do sanctions that work at all.

FBI Labels this guy a home grown violent extremist.

When in fact he went to Jordan and was radicalized by Muslim Jihad.

Why is this being labeled a homegrown violent extremist, and not a Islamic Terrorist?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
FBI Labels this guy a home grown violent extremist.

When in fact he went to Jordan and was radicalized by Muslim Jihad.

Why is this being labeled a homegrown violent extremist, and not a Islamic Terrorist?


Homegrown=American citizen. Most homegrown terrorists spend some time abroad, it doesn't make them less "homegrown."

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Homegrown=American citizen. Most homegrown terrorists spend some time abroad, it doesn't make them less "homegrown."

Why violent extremist, not Islamic Terrorist?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why violent extremist, not Islamic Terrorist?

I don't know. Possibly whoever used that particular phrasing wanted to avoid making this about Islam so that normal Muslims wouldn't be made guilty by association.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't know. Possibly whoever used that particular phrasing wanted to avoid making this about Islam so that normal Muslims wouldn't be made guilty by association.

FBI classified it as such.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
FBI classified it as such.

For the reason I just gave most likely.

And really it doesn't matter, unless you think that this event should change the country's approach to dealing with Muslims. Categorization is a political statement, and by opting to call him a "violent extremist" it's an accurate statement without implicating Muslims at large in any way.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
For the reason I just gave most likely.

And really it doesn't matter, unless you think that this event should change the country's approach to dealing with Muslims. Categorization is a political statement, and by opting to call him a "violent extremist" it's an accurate statement without implicating Muslims at large in any way.

If someone who was a christian went around killing muslims. How would it be labeled?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If someone who was a christian went around killing muslims. How would it be labeled?

Probably "violent extremist" in American media. Calling such a person a Christian terrorist would probably piss off every church in the country and there would be a flurry of denunciations that the shooter was "no true Christian."

No he would be labeled a racist or bigot.