Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

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Originally posted by TheBadguy
there were 4 quadrants each quadrant had at least 4 galaxies in it. brolly blew one quadrant which would be at least 4 galaxies. buu did similar. you can bicker over technicalities all day but these things werent ass pulls, toriyama never stated any dissatisfaction about them happening and he created Broly, he approved toei's decisions in regards to movies. in other words these things are obviously in line with his take on the characters which is why solar system busting and sun busting should have never been so controversial for as long as they were. logically with these extreme jumps in these characters strength since then the next thing is universes. it will not be long before we see definitive proof we are dealing with universe busters and then they'll be the next batch of semantics and excuses.

Everything was wrong.

Just because Toriyama created Broly, doesn't make it canon. Broly is the LDSS of legend, canon story telling proves he wasn't.

It was never once stated that Broly destroyed a Quadrant, all the narration said was that in an instances millions of voices were silent. Not 100% accurate but something along those lines.

Samething with Buu.

You need to stop asking us to prove a negative. If you're claiming that Broly or Buu destroyed a whole Solar Sytstem, then bring proof instead of he said she said.

Originally posted by SquallX
Everything was wrong.

Just because Toriyama created Broly, doesn't make it canon. Broly is the LDSS of legend, canon story telling proves he wasn't.

It was never once stated that Broly destroyed a Quadrant, all the narration said was that in an instances millions of voices were silent. Not 100% accurate but something along those lines.

Samething with Buu.

You need to stop asking us to prove a negative. If you're claiming that Broly or Buu destroyed a whole Solar Sytstem, then bring proof instead of he said she said.

Once again you say something dense and miss the point. I didnt say Broly was canon I said the creator of the series created him and approved what the movie displayed. Which foreshadowed what he thought about the characters and the direction he was going to take them. If galaxy busting was out of the question for dragonball characters he wouldnt have let them have Broly do it, it was a precursor to what we are seeing now. Which is they will keep getting stronger, now the creator has introduced universe busters, if it continues next there will be multiverse busters.

Im not going to argue with you about what the movie clearly shows. My eyes work and I dont need to discredit them because im uncomfortable with what they show. He blew most of the south quadrant and its clear to see, you have to jump through hoops and tell us not to believe our eyes in order to say otherwise. Buu was shown doing similar but we dont know how long it may have taken. Theres is nothing to prove the only argument otherwise is totally dependent on canon which is always the last refuge of those with a losing argument. Cell level energy is canonically capable of solar system busting you nincompoop. Buu is many times stronger than cell canonically. Where these characters are now is many times stronger than Buu. Logically no one should have a problem believing a stated universe buster at this point in the series can universe bust. But you people are so vested in semantic based arguments that you want to hold on to any shred of doubt you can raise. Like I said, just as you people claimed Cell couldnt solar system bust and said everyone in the story was wrong or a liar only for it to be canonically confirmed, we will see the same thing repeat with universe busting now. and then you people will continue the same exact tactics and deny and doubt the next level the characters reach until they hit another plateau, rinse wash repeat.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Once again you say something dense and miss the point. I didnt say Broly was canon I said the creator of the series created him and approved what the movie displayed. Which foreshadowed what he thought about the characters and the direction he was going to take them. If galaxy busting was out of the question for dragonball characters he wouldnt have let them have Broly do it, it was a precursor to what we are seeing now. Which is they will keep getting stronger, now the creator has introduced universe busters, if it continues next there will be multiverse busters.

Im not going to argue with you about what the movie clearly shows. My eyes work and I dont need to discredit them because im uncomfortable with what they show. He blew most of the south quadrant and its clear to see, you have to jump through hoops and tell us not to believe our eyes in order to say otherwise. Buu was shown doing similar but we dont know how long it may have taken. Theres is nothing to prove the only argument otherwise is totally dependent on canon which is always the last refuge of those with a losing argument. Cell level energy is canonically capable of solar system busting you nincompoop. Buu is many times stronger than cell canonically. Where these characters are now is many times stronger than Buu. Logically no one should have a problem believing a stated universe buster at this point in the series can universe bust. But you people are so vested in semantic based arguments that you want to hold on to any shred of doubt you can raise. Like I said, just as you people claimed Cell couldnt solar system bust and said everyone in the story was wrong or a liar only for it to be canonically confirmed, we will see the same thing repeat with universe busting now. and then you people will continue the same exact tactics and deny and doubt the next level the characters reach until they hit another plateau, rinse wash repeat.

But Broly never busted a Galaxy... He destroyed it bit by bit but after the Intro where we see that he is destroying it, bit by bit, Gokus IT to the southern Galaxy, to a planet where everything is destroyed, the planet is still there though as is the rest of the system. So I don't know where you get the Galaxy Buster thing from.

On another sidenote. Can you show me the vid or scans where Beerus busts a Universe?

I think he can do it, like Broly with the Galaxy, bit by bit, planet by planet, but not in a single blast. Every herald would be able to do the same, especially in a Universe that has the size of the DB U.

I don't have anything against Goku, I really like him, he is one of the better Superman clones imo, with some influences of Journey to the West and the fighting techs copied from Fist of the North Star, he is an amazing char but he still has a long way before he will operate on the levels of comic chars like SS, Superman or Thor.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Once again you say something dense and miss the point. I didnt say Broly was canon I said the creator of the series created him and approved what the movie displayed. Which foreshadowed what he thought about the characters and the direction he was going to take them. If galaxy busting was out of the question for dragonball characters he wouldnt have let them have Broly do it, it was a precursor to what we are seeing now. Which is they will keep getting stronger, now the creator has introduced universe busters, if it continues next there will be multiverse busters.

Im not going to argue with you about what the movie clearly shows. My eyes work and I dont need to discredit them because im uncomfortable with what they show. He blew most of the south quadrant and its clear to see, you have to jump through hoops and tell us not to believe our eyes in order to say otherwise. Buu was shown doing similar but we dont know how long it may have taken. Theres is nothing to prove the only argument otherwise is totally dependent on canon which is always the last refuge of those with a losing argument. Cell level energy is canonically capable of solar system busting you nincompoop. Buu is many times stronger than cell canonically. Where these characters are now is many times stronger than Buu. Logically no one should have a problem believing a stated universe buster at this point in the series can universe bust. But you people are so vested in semantic based arguments that you want to hold on to any shred of doubt you can raise. Like I said, just as you people claimed Cell couldnt solar system bust and said everyone in the story was wrong or a liar only for it to be canonically confirmed, we will see the same thing repeat with universe busting now. and then you people will continue the same exact tactics and deny and doubt the next level the characters reach until they hit another plateau, rinse wash repeat.

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Yep. Remember, Cell is billions of times weaker than Buu and Cell during the ONSET OF his kamehameha had enough power to shed a solar system. Shouldn't be questionable if Buu could take out a Galaxy. Good post overall. Broly did shed a Galaxy casually and during his first form and Buu is billions of times stronger. Galaxy busting is easy for DBZ characters.

...wat. Billions of times weaker? Now that would be interesting to prove.

Originally posted by Damborgson
...wat. Billions of times weaker? Now that would be interesting to prove.

Wasn't Cell power level in the millions whereas Buu power level was in the Trillions?

Originally posted by carver9
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Yep. Remember, Cell is billions of times weaker than Buu and Cell during the ONSET OF his kamehameha had enough power to shed a solar system. Shouldn't be questionable if Buu could take out a Galaxy. Good post overall. Broly did shed a Galaxy casually and during his first form and Buu is billions of times stronger. Galaxy busting is easy for DBZ characters.

Cell is SSJ2 teir while Buu is SSJ3 teir. That's a difference of 4x. Where the f*ck are you getting "billions" from? Stop trying to make your stance better by saying stupid things carver. You're just making yourself look even more like a biased fan boy

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Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't Cell power level in the millions whereas Buu power level was in the Trillions?

Nope

Originally posted by TheBadguy
there were 4 quadrants each quadrant had at least 4 galaxies in it. brolly blew one quadrant which would be at least 4 galaxies.

Broly was around Cell level. Cell's most powerful attack was solar system level. To argue Broly is a galaxy buster is just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb

Originally posted by juggerman
Cell is SSJ2 teir while Buu is SSJ3 teir. That's a difference of 4x. Where the f*ck are you getting "billions" from? Stop trying to make your stance better by saying stupid things carver. You're just making yourself look even more like a biased fan boy

You are better than this. All you have to do is BO-LIEVE!!!! 👆

Nope

I'm talking about figures here. Numbers, not power ups. I didn't mean to put 'times' anyways.

What was Cell power level? What about Buu?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm talking about figures here. Numbers, not power ups. I didn't mean to put 'times' anyways.

What was Cell power level? What about Buu?

The numbers and power ups go hand in hand. If someone's power is 1 million, and they become 10x stronger, how strong are they carv?

There wasn't one given for Cell and Buu. But we can guess, seeing as how Frieza was 120m, that Cell was beyond "millions".

Originally posted by juggerman
Broly was around Cell level. Cell's most powerful attack was solar system level. To argue Broly is a galaxy buster is just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb

I thought Cell initial attack was solar system busting level. Then he powered it up even further during his exchange against Gohan.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm talking about figures here. Numbers, not power ups. I didn't mean to put 'times' anyways.

What was Cell power level? What about Buu?

Lol...I already said I didn't mean to put 'times' in my statement but Buu was FAR more powerful than Cell.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought Cell initial attack was solar system busting level. Then he powered it up even further during his exchange against Gohan.

Cell was a solar system buster. It is in his bio.

I think Cell was in the process of charging his SS buster when he made the statement. Like "this attack will destroy the entire solar system!". Doesn't mean he made it stronger, just means he was stating how powerful his blast would be

Originally posted by juggerman
Cell was a solar system buster. It is in his bio.

I think Cell was in the process of charging his SS buster when he made the statement. Like "this attack will destroy the entire solar system!". Doesn't mean he made it stronger, just means he was stating how powerful his blast would be

Makes sense. Think about it though. Even when he unleashed that attack, he still was hellava powerful. Hell, an argument could be made that he was just as powerful as he was before launching that attack. I don't think that attack was his all, but, I will not overstep the bio. I will leave as is.

Originally posted by carver9
Makes sense. Think about it though. Even when he unleashed that attack, he still was hellava powerful. Hell, an argument could be made that he was just as powerful as he was before launching that attack. I don't think that attack was his all, but, I will not overstep the bio. I will leave as is.

Even if it wasn't his absolute all, there's nothing to indicate he could do a great deal better. For all we know, his max is our solar system and one more planet. There's nothing to suggest he could bust two solar systems let alone a galaxy

It's hysterical that someone is actually still trying to argue that Broly was a galaxy-buster, when that has been disproven a multitude of times, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
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Yep. Remember, Cell is billions of times weaker than Buu and Cell during the ONSET OF his kamehameha had enough power to shed a solar system. Shouldn't be questionable if Buu could take out a Galaxy. Good post overall. Broly did shed a Galaxy casually and during his first form and Buu is billions of times stronger. Galaxy busting is easy for DBZ characters.

Do you listen to yourself?

Power level stopped being relevant since the Frieeza, early Android Saga. They never onced mentioned that Cell was billions times weaker than Buu. Vegeta was SSJ2 plus the Majin boost when he fought Kid Buu.

Cell was a villain, and like all villains they always overestimates there power. Cell, nor anyone in dbz has ever showed the power to wipe out a solar system in one blast.

Perfect Cell was scared when 16 was about to blow himself up. Unles you're claiming that 16 suicide blast was going to destroy the Earth?

Let's say that Super Perfect Cell was Solar System busting, that meant Gohan had to match him to evenly. That meant 2 solar system blast couldn't even damage its sourouding areas.

Originally posted by juggerman
Cell was a solar system buster. It is in his bio.

I think Cell was in the process of charging his SS buster when he made the statement. Like "this attack will destroy the entire solar system!". Doesn't mean he made it stronger, just means he was stating how powerful his blast would be

Bios should be taken with a grain of salt.

If we just takes bios for what they are, then I can argue that Haku is light speed in his ice mirrors since his bios claims he is.

Originally posted by SquallX
Perfect Cell was scared when 16 was about to blow himself up. Unles you're claiming that 16 suicide blast was going to destroy the Earth?

Let's say that Super Perfect Cell was Solar System busting, that meant Gohan had to match him to evenly. That meant 2 solar system blast couldn't even damage its sourouding areas.

Cell was never scared of #16's detonation. Not really:
http://i.imgur.com/K42c23i.jpg

Also, Super-Perfect Cell was a solar system-buster--this was confirmed in a bio outside of his comment in the manga. Lastly, we don't judge the lethality of blasts in Dragon Ball by the amount of collateral damage they cause. Never have.

Originally posted by SquallX
Bios should be taken with a grain of salt.

If we just takes bios for what they are, then I can argue that Haku is light speed in his ice mirrors since his bios claims he is.

Why are you acting like Naruto bios have any weight in this discussion..?

Where Dragon Ball is concerned, bios from canon sourcebooks are perfectly admissible. They only get thrown out if they directly contradict happenings from the manga itself.

Originally posted by SquallX
Do you listen to yourself?

Power level stopped being relevant since the Frieeza, early Android Saga. They never onced mentioned that Cell was billions times weaker than Buu. Vegeta was SSJ2 plus the Majin boost when he fought Kid Buu.

Cell was a villain, and like all villains they always overestimates there power. Cell, nor anyone in dbz has ever showed the power to wipe out a solar system in one blast.

Perfect Cell was scared when 16 was about to blow himself up. Unles you're claiming that 16 suicide blast was going to destroy the Earth?

Let's say that Super Perfect Cell was Solar System busting, that meant Gohan had to match him to evenly. That meant 2 solar system blast couldn't even damage its sourouding areas.

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Collateral damage from an attack that didn't even go off.

WTF. It was outright said that Cell is a solar system buster. Don't discredit things just because you dislike the characters. Calm down and focus on American comics.

Cell wasn't scared of 16 bomb. Come on man.