Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by bbrem123
I think Carver is saying that with the power characters sense from Beerus indicates the amount of destruction he can cause. Which is different from your Frieza example. Goku knew how much power he was sensing but did not know the debts of his total power.

And the Kai's did seem pretty sure about what they said

But the Gohan/Goku example is spot on. Gohan thought Goku could do more than he could. They could very well be thinking Beerus could do more than he is able as well.

They've also been wrong about how much destruction attacks would do as well. I could make a list for this as well.

I know they seemed sure, but they could be wrong. Goku seemed sure the Spirit Bomb would end Frieza too. Seeming sure is not the end all in DB

Originally posted by SquallX
Once more you're deflecting by posting nonsense. That blast doesn't matter. You claimed Beerus is a universe buster with no fear to back it up.

I claimed true Universe busters are beings like Anti Monitor and Galactus, you claimed for scans. I responded by asking you to show me feats of Beerus displaying anything above planet busting. You can't, so deflect by posting Cell, a character that stop being relevant the second the next bad guy showed up.

You claim some bullshit about power level sensing. Yet others here as giving you proof that is not 100% accurate in the form of Goku/Frieeza, Gohan/Goku and a few others.

Now, show me proof of Beerus being a Universe buster, let alone a galaxy buster, let alone a solar system buster and I'll concede.

Beerus like everyone else in the DBZ verse are planet+, or how many plus you want to add buster.

Can Beerus destroy a Universe? No one knows yet since he hasn't demonstrated it. So you can't just claim he cans without proof.

Until he shows to destroy a Universe, then his a planet+. No more no less.

You asked me a question with a question. I asked you to show me Galactus busting a Universe first then you asked me to show the same. Doesn't work like that. Show me Galactus busting a Universe.

The scene I posted isn't irrelevant. I'm sure I know why you don't want to answer it.

Originally posted by juggerman
But the Gohan/Goku example is spot on. Gohan thought Goku could do more than he could. They could very well be thinking Beerus could do more than he is able as well.

They've also been wrong about how much destruction attacks would do as well. I could make a list for this as well.

I know they seemed sure, but they could be wrong. Goku seemed sure the Spirit Bomb would end Frieza too. Seeming sure is not the end all in DB

The Gohan example isn't spot on. He thought his dad was hiding his power level. DBZ characters are capable of this (Trunks and Frieza fight. Goku and Ginyu fight). Him thinking Goku is hiding his true potential doesn't mean Gohan could not read what Goku can potentially do with the power he was using when fighting Cell. Does this makes sense to you?

Look at the Frieza and Spirit bomb scene again. The attack could've took him out. He escaped it.

Originally posted by carver9
The Gohan example isn't spot on. He thought his dad was hiding his power level. DBZ characters are capable of this (Trunks and Frieza fight. Goku Ginyu fight). Him thinking Goku is hiding his true potential doesn't mean Gohan could not read what he can potentially do with the power he was using when fighting Cell. Does this makes sense to you?

Look at the Frieza and Spirit bomb scene again. The attack could've took him out. He escaped it.

You still haven't answered any of my questions. It's like Piccolo is just yelling "DODGE!" in your ear man.

Want me to make a list of attacks people thought had enough power to do something but they didn't?

Originally posted by juggerman
You still haven't answered any of my questions. It's like Piccolo is just yelling "DODGE!" in your ear man.

Want me to make a list of attacks people thought had enough power to do something but they didn't?

What's your question?

Name 3 because you've been wrong so far.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
^ Beerus would technically be a casual star buster as of RoF...just saying.

Well yeah, thats why i said he was planet buster +. Since guys like Frieza, Cell, Buu at there weakest were planet busters.

What am asking is the guys here that are claiming baseless shits and trying to pass it off as facts.

Main one being Berrus being a Universe buster with no proof to back it up.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
^ Beerus would technically be a casual star buster as of RoF...just saying.

Then you're wrong. Just saying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Well yeah, thats why i said he was planet buster +. Since guys like Frieza, Cell, Buu at there weakest were planet busters.

What am asking is the guys here that are claiming baseless shits and trying to pass it off as facts.

Main one being Berrus being a Universe buster with no proof to back it up.

Lol at this. No one in their right mind would agree with this crap. People that know anything about DBZ.

Nothing said here is true.

Originally posted by juggerman
It's like Piccolo is just yelling "DODGE!" in your ear man.

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Originally posted by carver9
Then you're wrong. Just saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at this. No one in their right mind would agree with this crap. People that know anything about DBZ.

Nothing said here is true.

I don't mean to insult you, but you're a ****ing retard.

Not only didn't you bring anything new, you just claimed that Beerus is not a planet buster.

Good Job! 😆

Originally posted by carver9
What's your question?

Name 3 because you've been wrong so far.

Exactly how does Beerus bust a universe?

I haven't been wrong at all.

1. Vegeta believing he beat Recoome after his initial assault
2. Vegeta believing he could trump Final form Frieza
3. Piccolo believing SSJ1 Gotenks had a chance against Super Buu
Bonus: Gohan believing himself superior to Buutenks.

Now I know exactly what you'll do next. You'll try to make an excuse as to why they were wrong but the fact is they were wrong. And all of them could accurately sense ki but still were wrong.

Originally posted by SquallX
I don't mean to insult you, but you're a ****ing retard.

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Originally posted by juggerman
Exactly how does Beerus bust a universe?

I haven't been wrong at all.

1. Vegeta believing he beat Recoome after his initial assault
2. Vegeta believing he could trump Final form Frieza
3. Piccolo believing SSJ1 Gotenks had a chance against Super Buu
Bonus: Gohan believing himself superior to Buutenks.

Now I know exactly what you'll do next. You'll try to make an excuse as to why they were wrong but the fact is they were wrong. And all of them could accurately sense ki but still were wrong.

With a Ki blast.

Yes, you've been wrong.

1. I said sense Kai readings, not knowing how durable a mutant is.
2. Frieza hiding his power level and lol, Vegeta wasn't good at sensing Ki then. He was just learning how to use that ability to the point that he wasn't trusting his own judgement.
3. Piccolo told the boys they were not ready at first. Second time, they were powerful enough to beat Buu.
4. What scene are you talking about with Gohan?

You haven't proven your point though and that has nothing to do with someone sensing what a person is capable and not just one person either, MULTIPLES are saying the same things.

even if beerus is a universe buster we dont know how he does the attack he uses and how long the charge time is

it also wouldnt be goku's feat so bringin it up is irrelavent

Originally posted by carver9
With a Ki blast.

Yes, you've been wrong.

1. I said sense Kai readings, not knowing how durable a mutant is.
2. Frieza hiding his power level and lol, Vegeta wasn't good at sensing Ki then. He was just learning how to use that ability to the point that he wasn't trusting his own judgement.
3. Piccolo told the boys they were not ready at first. Second time, they were powerful enough to beat Buu.
4. What scene are you talking about with Gohan?

You haven't proven your point though and that has nothing to do with someone sensing what a person is capable and not just one person either, MULTIPLES are saying the same things.

When was that stated or shown?

I really haven't been. You've been twisting everything you don't avoid outright

1. He knew where his ki was in relation to Recoome's. He should have know his blast was not enough
2. Vegeta WAS good at it. He only doubted it when Gohan and company hid from him and later he realized he was correct and was very adept at it.
3. Second time Piccolo had no clue the boys could go SSJ3 yet he STILL believed they had a shot even tho Buu was at the very least 8x stronger than they were. That's shitty ki reading from one of the best in DBZ
4. Buutenks and Gohan 1st square off

You haven't proven a thing besides someone(s) said something. Again you have no clue how Beerus could destroy the universe and are just assuming it would be with a ki blast just so you can give Goku a feat he doesn't have.

Your entire stance is "Beerus is a universe buster and SSJG Goku is close to him so SSJG Goku is either a universe buster too or damn near". But the problem with that is, Beerus is a "god" and therefore may have abilities and techniques exclusive to him that would allow him to destroy a universe. Goku becoming stronger than Guldo didn't allow him to stop time. Or becoming stronger than Ginyu didn't give Goku the body change. Surpassing Piccolo didn't give him regen. Trumping Buu didn't give him magic. Hell Beerus is the "God of Destruction" after all so for all we know it's an ability of his that can't just be passed on. To claim Goku is close to doing something Beerus hasn't even been confirmed to do is ridiculous to say the least.

Originally posted by yungz22
even if beerus is a universe buster we dont know how he does the attack he uses and how long the charge time is

it also wouldnt be goku's feat so bringin it up is irrelavent

EXACTLY!

Boo was stated to be a universal threat on at least two separate occasions:

Per Elder Kaioshin and Goku(two of the most reputable sources in the mythos): Boo would have destroyed the entire universe(and beyond) had he not been stopped. However, this certainly doesn't mean that Boo could have destroyed the universe with a single attack or w/e... For all we know it may have taken him millions of years to do so.

The exact same logic applies to Beerus: all that was 'implied' is that he can potentially destroy the universe. But for all we know, destruction on that scale could take him days, months, years, eons, etc. That said, until we have a *legitimate* reason to believe that Beerus can one-shot the universe, assuming he can is completely baseless. I/we do not need to prove a negative.

srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Boo was stated to be a universal threat on at least two separate occasions:

Per Elder Kaioshin and Goku(two of the most reputable sources in the mythos): Boo would have destroyed the entire universe(and beyond) had he not been stopped. However, this certainly doesn't mean that Boo could have destroyed the universe with a single attack or w/e... For all we know it may have taken him millions of years to do so.

The exact same logic applies to Beerus: all that was 'implied' is that he can potentially destroy the universe. But for all we know, destruction on that scale could take him days, months, years, eons, etc. That said, until we have a *legitimate* reason to believe that Beerus can one-shot the universe, assuming he can is completely baseless. I/we do not need to prove a negative.

srsly

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I wonder if hearing it from his Sensei will stop him from talking out of his arse