Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

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bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Except we know the shockwaves WEREN'T nearly as powerful at their epicenter, because the Earth/moon were left perfectly intact, while far-off planets were atomized. It was also explicitly stated that the shockwaves became more powerful/destructive the farther outward they spread. Liken it to the mechanics of a tsunami.

If it's still too hard to grasp, maybe this diagram of the shockwave radius will help:

...Goku/Beerus were obviously right in the center.

Maybe you should read my post over. I was not talking about the shockwave. I was talking about the actual hits that initiated said shockwave. The thing is that this shockwave isn't exactly like a tsunami. If it was then the earth and much of the universe would still be intact no matter how many times they clashed. That is not the case here.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by yungz22
im not lowballing anything its a fact he didnt do it on his own and yall actin like he did.

it was a reaction from both of their energies.

goku cannot do it on his own

I never said it was just him. It took both of them only 3 clashes to destroy the universe and areas beyond it. They were not even at full power. This feat show how powerful these to really are. You trying to down play the feat by saying it is hardly impressive because he didn't do it alone.

You substitute Superman for Goku and he would be paste on Beerus's fist.

carver9 Senior Member

Someone needs to look at the shockwave and punch scene again. The center of the attack was more powerful because it sent Bills and Goku flying off, screaming on agony. The shockwaves made it all the way to the Kai dimension and it did nothing to them. Didn't even knock them off of their feet. Now we have two things to think about here since we know the Kai's are outside of the Universe (so they would feel the most devastation if we go by Galan post). Either the Kai's are more powerful than Goku and Beerus since they didn't budge from said shockwaves OR Beerus and Goku felt more power behind said blows/shockwaves that sent them flying off. Their blows were the cause of said attack...no matter if it was more devastating than when it hit earth versus when it made it to the Kai's, Goku and Beerus felt more of that power...that Universal power.

Also, Bills and Goku blast clash also created the same shockwaves and the shockwaves were destroying mountains, etc... but it did nothing to the humans on Earth. The nitpicking here is dumb.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

You are the one doing the nitpicking, carver. I am simply showing/telling you exactly what we were shown/told in the episode: the shockwaves became more destructive the further outward they spread. Simple.

I don't really care if you like it. Those are the 'facts' Toriyama gave us. 👆

bbrem123 Senior Member

Still does not make the actual punches themselves any weaker

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by bbrem123
Still does not make the actual punches themselves any weaker

Exactly. Beerus and Goku flew off from said blows. The shockwaves sent them flying whereas the Kai's stood in one spot and tanked the shockwaves. The Kai's are either >>>> Beerus and Goku or the power produced at the center of the attack was greater than the Universal energy that spread outward.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

The punches were strong, not doubt. However, the shockwaves generated at Point A <<<<<<<<<<<<<< the shockwaves generated at Point B. Somehow they gained energy as they spread outward.

Toriyama logic for ya. 👇

bbrem123 Senior Member

Are you confusing the shockwave with the actual hit itself?

bbrem123 Senior Member

Also wasn't it said that Beerus nullified energy that could have destroyed the universe. Hence the reason he had to go to 100% to do it.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by bbrem123
Are you confusing the shockwave with the actual hit itself?
Um, no? The hits are what generated said shockwaves.

AuraAngel Hegemon

Goku and Beerus produced self-sustaining energy that grows with distance. They took physics and snapped it in two.

Strictly speaking the energy should still be going. It was felt outside of the DB Universe in the Sacred Realm of the Kai.

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by bbrem123
Also wasn't it said that Beerus nullified energy that could have destroyed the universe. Hence the reason he had to go to 100% to do it.

He nullified the blast but I don't think he nullified anything with their punches. Also, don't think anyone mentioned this but Whis said he would protect Earth...prevent it's destruction while the fight was happening. He probably used some type of magic to prevent this from happening.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Yea the blast is what I was talking about. I will look into it to see.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Goku and Beerus produced self-sustaining energy that grows with distance. They took physics and snapped it in two.

Strictly speaking the energy should still be going. It was felt outside of the DB Universe in the Sacred Realm of the Kai.

And the Kai's tanked it whereas Goku and Beerus was sent flying.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no? The hits are what generated said shockwaves.
So you think the hits are the weakest point.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by bbrem123
So you think the hits are the weakest point.
If the weakest shockwaves are indicative of the weakest point, then yes, obviously the hits(which are what initially generated the shockwaves) were the weakest portion of the shockwave radius, in terms of collateral damage.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
He nullified the blast but I don't think he nullified anything with their punches. Also, don't think anyone mentioned this but Whis said he would protect Earth...prevent it's destruction while the fight was happening. He probably used some type of magic to prevent this from happening.
That blast was universal. Whis even says that it straight up.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
If the weakest shockwaves are indicative of the weakest point, then yes, obviously the hits(which are what initially generated the shockwaves) were the weakest portion of the shockwave radius, in terms of collateral damage.
Taking collateral damage out of the picture. Is it still the weakest in your eyes.

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by Galan007
If the weakest shockwaves are indicative of the weakest point, then yes, obviously the hits(which are what initially generated the shockwaves) were the weakest portion of the shockwave radius, in terms of collateral damage.
Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by bbrem123
Taking collateral damage out of the picture. Is it still the weakest in your eyes.
It's hard to say exactly how powerful they were. Do I think they were universe-busters? No. Do I think they were powerful enough to harm Superman? Yes.