Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

I think that the fight would be closer if we took both of their averages from the comics vs the manga than it would be if we took the animated films and compared Superman and Goku. Animated Goku would destroy animated Superman IMO, while comic book Superman would win a very slight majority in a comic versus manga Goku. Slight enough that Goku could possibly win. However if they fought 10 battles til the near bitter end, Goku would eventually defeat Superman after losing the first 3.

Originally posted by Stoic
I think that the fight would be closer if we took both of their averages from the comics vs the manga than it would be if we took the animated films and compared Superman and Goku. Animated Goku would destroy animated Superman IMO, while comic book Superman would win a very slight majority in a comic versus manga Goku. Slight enough that Goku could possibly win. However if they fought 10 battles til the near bitter end, Goku would eventually defeat Superman after losing the first 3.

Which Goku?

Better question. Which Kent?

Bbrem I think you and me are the only ones without him on ignore. Let's join the rest.

Originally posted by carver9
Beyonder is just trying to get attention. That's all his post reflects...someone that is thriving for attention. It would be best to ignore him.

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Originally posted by Damborgson
Well, it's best not to judge a fanbase or a character by his frothing at the mouth fanboys, otherwise I'd hate Superman ha. And Goku for that matter.

Maybe it's a little different here in my state, Goku really is a big deal, there haven't been many laspses in time where he hasn't bee on TV in some fashion, whether that be on Toonami or DBZ Kai, etc.

Tbh I hate Superman more than Quan and Carver together do, I just fight for his cause to make people hate him as much as I do. The more I defend him and say how above everyone he is the more people start to despise him. evillaugh

Originally posted by bbrem123
Those are not superior to destroying the universe from the shockwaves of a few clashes.

That was not even at full power either.

Well for one, you are well aware that there is some debate on the size of the Dragonball Universe and some posters Galan007 among them that feel it only contains 4 galaxies.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618101&pagenumber=2

But even waving this CRUCIAL point aside bbrem123, Superman lifting half of infinity is INFINITELY superior.

The book literally contained the ENTIRE DC MULTIVERSE, the whole of creation.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23502052/29.jpg.html

And yes the book is infinite as Grant Morrison, the writer, states clearly in this 2009 Newsrama Interview

http://www.newsarama.com/2117-grant-morrison-final-crisis-exit-interview-part-2.html

"If you go back to the first issue, it starts with a ‘caveman’ version of the basic hero story. Then we get Dan Turpin narrating and so on through the series. Rising Sun narrating the start of issue #2, the Monitor origin story from the Infinite Book in Superman Beyond"

Lifting Half the Multiverse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything that happens in a single Universe.

Is Superman at this level of strength in most stories? Nope.

But in a VS. match to the death, Screwattack took Superman at his "Max Potential" not a random point in the timeline.

We've seen that the Max Potential of Superman, the high end, on panel has beaten beings like Dominus who can create entire realities, rewrite continuity, and slap around Eternity level beings like Kismet on panel. Superman's Willpower overpowered him. Heck Superman even contained the Bleed, which is even dumber than lifting Infinity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleed_(comics)

Superman contained it.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums...supesbleed2.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums...supesbleed3.jpg

Think about this...."As crystals grow in solution, the 52 Universes of the orrery emerged within the bleed"

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbleed1.jpg.html

Superman literally contained the interdimensional space where the Entire DC Multiverse grew out of. Ridiculous and even crazier than lifting Infinity.

Characters in Marvel and DC can do feats that go beyond Universal into Multiversal levels. Sometimes characters like GL Kyle Rayner may hold back a big bang (in the same arc it was shown he couldn't handle Imperiex Probes and was far below the power of Superman), or Orion will contain a Universe destroying bomb. The Hulk will collide with Betty Ross and destroy the dark dimension, Flash can absorb the entire speed force, Thor did contain a God Bomb that would kill all Gods in the 616, Wonder Woman's lasso broke and stripped truth from the entire Universe, Suprema lifted the entire Universe, Hercules lifted the heavens, and on and on.

In a normal showing for Superman and other top tiers these things aren't brought up in a typical vs. debate but Screw Attack takes EVERY high showing into account and puts the characters against each other at their maximum potential. And I think that's only fair since you would want them to use Goku at his maximum potential and not be held to just SSJ2 or something.

I just checked my above post and some of the links don't work.
Here's the correct ones.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbleed2.jpg.html
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesbleed3.jpg

thanks to Philosophia respect thread.

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Bbrem I think you and me are the only ones without him on ignore. Let's join the rest.

Originally posted by Sensui
I just checked my above post and some of the links don't work.
Here's the correct ones.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbleed2.jpg.html
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesbleed3.jpg

thanks to Philosophia respect thread.

I would also like to remind everyone that, while the shockwaves generated by Goku and Beerus' blows ultimately caused universal devastation, this only happened the further outward they spread--said shockwaves were nowhere near that powerful at their point of origin. In fact, they weren't even close to planet/moon-level at their epicenter, in terms of destructive output.

That said, a strong argument can be made for Superman enduring Goku's punches just fine. The subsequent shockwave doesn't really matter a whole lot. Imo.

Originally posted by bbrem123
I agree

He's out of my screen how about you?

i think KI levels are more important here

whis said "../running out of ki makes your body vunerable.../"
superman gets his power via sunlight
goku has his internal ki levels and sayjin states

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
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Tbh I hate Superman more than Quan and Carver together do, I just fight for his cause to make people hate him as much as I do. The more I defend him and say how above everyone he is the more people start to despise him. evillaugh

That's.... extremely clever. 😂 I will join the cause!

Originally posted by Galan007
You made some great points in your post. 👆

I would also like to remind everyone that, while the shockwaves generated by Goku and Beerus' blows ultimately caused universal devastation, this only happened the further outward they spread--said shockwaves were nowhere near that powerful at their point of origin. In fact, they weren't even close to planet/moon-level at their epicenter, in terms of destructive output.

That said, a strong argument can be made for Superman enduring Goku's punches just fine. The subsequent shockwave doesn't really matter a whole lot. Imo.

Their punches were still universal/dimensional, no matter how you shine on it.

Are we all in agreement, Beyonder is on ignore?

Galan post doesn't make any sense by the way. How can below planetary punches almost destroy a Universe. Lol.

This is all I can see when it comes to you all after I Debunk dbz and Goku.....