Yungz the reason people use the average for Superman, and other comic characters, is because most all of them have radical outliers of high end and low end feats. Thousands of people work in the industry and hundreds have worked on Superman. One day he can blow away a solar system with a sneeze and the next a fatter Lois Lane is a bit heavy for him. So long as they're all going through DC Comics, they are all canon. So how do you rectify it when Silver Surfer flies through a black hole but gets knocked out from behind by a piper and stuff? You take the averages. Because what else can you do? People point out low showings aren't wrong as they're every bit as canon as high ones.
Goku simply isn't in that boat. He has one canon author in Toriyama. There is rarely any vagueness when you have one guy at the helm. In addition, unlike most comic book heroes, Goku doesn't have different eras. He's grown up from a kid to a grandfather over the course of the story. DC just had a universe reset not too long ago, something that simply will never occur for DB. There really is no reason not to focus on Goku's high end feats because there are not radical low end feats. When there were(40 tons) then yes Goku got hampered by them in discussions like this one. Besides, what exactly is Goku's average supposed to be? His base form? SSJ? SSJ3? Idk.
Super is a continuation of DB/Z. SSJG is the new form Goku has access to(kinda) and there really is no reason to take it away from him. Would be like taking Gear 4 from Luffy, Naruto's Kyuubi Modes, or Ichigo's Bankai.
To my knowledge Superman's best occurs sporadically and is hard to quantify. The strongest is Thought Robot but that is a state that Superman only used like once(as far as I know). There is also Superman Prime but that was him after spending a lot of time doing stuff apparently.
Typically high end versions like that only come into play when the OP specifies. Death Battle seems to use Post Crisis and/or New 52 Supes. Whatever his average is idk.
Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Goku has serious limits first off......
His boosts come from overcoming THOSE said limits or from near death (a cheap way to get boosted if you ask me.) and he has the transformations he can TRY to master.Superman by some writers DOESNT have limits because some are written for him so he can have some similarities to fans.
This logic right here, is what rustled me enough from the death battle team to make this thread and complain about it. It's bullshit 👍
Originally posted by Damborgson
This logic right here, is what rustled me enough from the death battle team to make this thread and complain about it. It's bullshit 👍
I CAN ADMIT ITS BULLSHIT BUT ITS ALSO TRUE SINCE SUPES HAS ALL THESE WRITERS HE HAS NO LIMITS HE IS AS STRONG AS THEY WANT HIM TO BE... ITS ASO THE REASON WHY THEY HAD TO REVAMP PRE CRISIS HE WAS TOO DAMN POWERFUL
Originally posted by Damborgson
The Superman no limit. Of course he has limits, and those extend to his durability and stamina.
Different writers, different interpretations.
Kal's limit is only limited by the mental blocks he puts on himself. Kal when the story needs him too goes beyond the level he usually operates on.
Originally posted by SquallX
Different writers, different interpretations.Kal's limit is only limited by the mental blocks he puts on himself. Kal when the story needs him too goes beyond the level he usually operates on.
So do most comic elite though. Thor, Surfer, Hulk, all go above and beyond when the time is necessary. Yet they all have limits, just like Superman has limits.
They literally took it as far as to say, because superman has no limits, then it doesn't matter how much stronger Goku gets because he still has limits....wat? So Goku's strong enough at ssj3 to give Superman a scrap, but then he gets like 10x more powerful and it's still nope, not a chance? That's what killed it for me, and I was expecting Superman to win. -shrug-
Originally posted by SquallX
Why do Goku goes Super Saiyan to fight a stronger opponent?Don't ask stupid question if you don't want a stupid answer.
If he had to Sundip to move War World, that means he has limits because he couldn't do it under his own power.
Why did he need Martian Manhunter and Diana to aid him in moving the moon (that they were failing at pulling)?
Superman sundipped to overcome the defense, tendrils and the engines powered by the energies of an abstract, a multi universal force of entropy. A skyfather level being failed against just the tendrils while Superman did all of it rather easily.
Goku as seen in Episode 14 has limits, is herald level at best, one unquantifable shared feat in a very small Universe won't change it.