Originally posted by cdtm
Anyways, Superman still wins. With ease.I hope Death Battle doesn't do a round 3, it'd just be more of the same.
So at what point can Goku win? He's exploded in power, and he was never weak. If he multiplied by another 10x would he still lose?
Is he more or less Superboy level to you?
Originally posted by cdtm
Against someone that could lift infinity, tank a million supernovas, and defeat a character who retcon punched reality? More. A LOT more.
So the vast majority of Superman's history, where he's hurt by less than a million Supernovas, that's invalid?
Why are absurdly high showings counted as okay but absurdly low showings then dismissed?
Originally posted by Damborgson
So the vast majority of Superman's history, where he's hurt by less than a million Supernovas, that's invalid?Why are absurdly high showings counted as okay but absurdly low showings then dismissed?
Because we know how powerful Clark really is. How many times has Superman being hit by a heavy hitter and still continues to fight, yet the next arc has him being put down by far less?
Look at our OWAW Arc. Prior to that fight, Clark was getting his ass beat, but the second he stop holding, few things in that arc was a match for him.
We know Clark always hold back because he doesn't want to hurt others.
Originally posted by cdtm
Against someone that could lift infinity, tank a million supernovas, and defeat a character who retcon punched reality? More. A LOT more.
DBZ troll. First thing, you are lying about these fts. Second, let's say if what you're saying is true...recently you gave a Lantern the edge against Superman. With these lying fts, a Lantern should be nothing to Superman, unless, you're just trolling DBZ fans. I don't understand why the people here are acknowledging your posts.
Also, scans of Superman defeating Prime without any context, DBZ troll.
Originally posted by SquallX
Because we know how powerful Clark really is. How many times has Superman being hit by a heavy hitter and still continues to fight, yet the next arc has him being put down by far less?Look at our OWAW Arc. Prior to that fight, Clark was getting his ass beat, but the second he stop holding, few things in that arc was a match for him.
We know Clark always hold back because he doesn't want to hurt others.
Do you know how powerful Goku is? No one is saying Superman is weak but he can not beat everyone. All Heralds have high showings but we do not ignore their averages. You can put Thor, Hulk, or Surfer in place of Superman when he was fighting those probes and if they cut lose, the results would've been the same. How do I know this? Becaus3 Aquaman and Diana mother took out some probes and a non holding back Thor, Hulk, or Surfer would slaughter any of these beings. Goku would merk them as well and I'm talking about base Goku.
Originally posted by SquallX
Because we know how powerful Clark really is. How many times has Superman being hit by a heavy hitter and still continues to fight, yet the next arc has him being put down by far less?Look at our OWAW Arc. Prior to that fight, Clark was getting his ass beat, but the second he stop holding, few things in that arc was a match for him.
We know Clark always hold back because he doesn't want to hurt others.
Well of course. OWAW is a perfect example to me of how powerful Clark is, he stops holding back and he's now beyond his "peers". By a lot.
I just don't find it sound to say that Goku, someone who already had a ridiculous amount of power, and given the level of opponent that could give Superman a fight without PIS, should have also been a worthy match for Superman back in the day, can increase by at least 35 times in power and STILL not have a chance.
If we take a character's highest feats, especially someone like Superman's, they're beyond Abstracts. I actually won a debate with Thor using any feat at his disposal, against Dormamu, and it's because Thor's repertoire is substantially more impressive. Same with Superman.
But if we argue at reasonable levels, SSJ3 Gokux a factor of 35, should be back to a position where he can beat Superman.
Using nothing but high showings, Thanos shouldn't stand a chance against someone like Thor and thats being generous to someone like Thanos. Lol...Surfer should be able to outright beat someone like Mordu and the list goes on. Hell, looking at high showings, Odin would cave Tyrant skull in while Tyrant have assistance from someone like Starbreaker. CDTM doesn't know how to debate though. He mainly focuses on high showings while ignoring averages.
Originally posted by cdtm
You mean averages like Goku getting mortally wounded by a mook laser gun. Or Vegeta dying when the Earth blows up? Or Vegeta barely able to function in a sauna against the metal guy?On average, do they blow up planets and moons? lmao, you're such a hypocrite.
DBZ troll.
Goku powered down when he got wounded by the laser gun. Superman almost died by a nuke whereas Goku at a powerlevel of 300 didn't get fazed by something much more powerful.
DBZ troll. Vegeta cant breath in space, so of course he would die. Vegeta didn't go through training like Superman did from Mongul to breath in space. Superman also almost got killed from a hit that didn't even level the dirt off the ground.
DBZ troll. How hot is Magenta heat? You do know Prime has blasted a hole in Supermans hand with heat vision, right. Zod shot a hole clean through Superman with a dose of heat vision. I'm trying to understand your point DBZ troll.
Yes, on average, they have planetary power. What was the point of that question?
DBZfanboy, Majin Vegeta's suicide bomb was about the destructive level of a nuke.
DBZfanboy, Goku's kamehameha on Freeza didn't even destroy that much.
DBZfanboy, Goku's final punch on Hit sent him about six inches into the rock, a pathetic amount for any class 100.
Of course, that's the tip of the iceberg. You don't want to play the "averages" card. It won't end well for Dragon Ball.
Originally posted by cdtm
DBZfanboy, Majin Vegeta's suicide bomb was about the destructive level of a nuke.DBZfanboy, Goku's kamehameha on Freeza didn't even destroy that much.
DBZfanboy, Goku's final punch on Hit sent him about six inches into the rock, a pathetic amount for any class 100.
Of course, that's the tip of the iceberg. You don't want to play the "averages" card. It won't end well for Dragon Ball.
DBZ troll. are you using length as evidence of destructive power? WTF. Who does that? Doctor Light dropped Superman with a blast that did nothing to the room they were in.
I can do much worse than that if you want. No one debates primarily off of the length of an attack. Really DBZ troll.
LOL... DBZ troll, Frieza dying from Goku kamehameha and surviving a planet exploding minutes later tells us what about Goku attack? Collateral damage means nothing in comics, manga, AND anime DBZ troll.
LOL... DBZ troll, you're terrlble at this. A Superman that was going all out against Batman got stalemated. He eventually dropped Batman but Batman survived the Onslaught of a non holding back Superman and was fending Supes off with a chair. lol
I do want to play this game though. I have a lot of Superman vs Street leveler characters to post. I even have that scan where Superman admits he cant destroy a planet. Have scans as well where slow brick tap that a**.
Originally posted by carver9
DBZ troll. are you using length as evidence of destructive power? WTF. Who does that? Doctor Light dropped Superman with a blast that did nothing to the room they were in.I can do much worse than that if you want. No one debates primarily off of the length of an attack. Really DBZ troll.
LOL... DBZ troll, Frieza dying from Goku kamehameha and surviving a planet exploding minutes later tells us what about Goku attack? Collateral damage means nothing in comics, manga, AND anime DBZ troll.
LOL... DBZ troll, you're terrlble at this. A Superman that was going all out against Batman got stalemated. He eventually dropped Batman but Batman survived the Onslaught of a non holding back Superman and was fending Supes off with a chair. lol
I do want to play this game though. I have a lot of Superman vs Street leveler characters to post. I even have that scan where Superman admits he cant destroy a planet. Have scans as well where slow brick tap that a**.
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