Originally posted by cdtm
Kind of hard to follow a thread when Carv responds to EVERY.SINGLE.POST that remotely sides against Goku. From anybody.It's like Gamma love over in comic books vs.
Anyways:
They're not really that vast, his low end stuff. His worst is, what, a gas station explosion? After fighting Doomsday for a good long while, getting beaten around a bit, and being written by Dan Jurgens?
That's well below his average, just like Goku struggling with a laser beam is below HIS (which was my stated reason for harping on it. Turn about is fair play).
I'm not saying Superman wins because Goku has low feats and Superman doesn't. I'm saying Goku simply doesn't have many good feats, period.
For power: You've got Beerus and Goku sending out shockwaves that could destroy the universe.
That's one feat. One. And it's an impressive feat, granted. It's also not a level of power that Superman hasn't faced in a the various crisises of his history. He's been hit by Zero Hour Parallax, the unleashed energies of the source wall collapsing, the energies of Imperiex, Emperor Jokers powers, Dominix...
Maybe some examples are PIS, and maybe some aren't. Carver, he'll downplay any single one I can list, while unquestioningly accepting Goku and Beerus's universe wave. Total double standard, imo.
Speed wise, you've got nothing. Beerus, he could arguably be light speed plus in travel speed? But Beerus isn't Goku, and Beerus admits to holding back, a lot.
Combat speed wise, what is there? Seriously, name a measurable speed feat.
It's not Gotenks traveling around the world, I'll tell you that. Fusion lasts 30 minutes, and he went around the Earth and claimed he took a nap. How long did it take him? How long was the nap? We don't know.
All we know, is it happened somewhere within 30 minutes, because his fusion ran out as soon as he got to Buu's location.
1. Superman has way more low ends than that.
Here he is getting KO'ed by Doctor Light:
Here he is getting manhandled by Batman, in a power suit:
And there are plenty of other examples.
If you're gonna only accept Goku's low ends, then I say Roshi one-shots Superman, given Roshi has way more firepower.
2. For power, we have:
Champa destroying solar systems with his punches and kicks.
Beerus stopping a universal explosion without even trying.
Beerus destroying two stars JUST by sneezing in his sleep. (He literally doubled Superman's PC feat, WHILE he was sleeping)
Beerus and Champa both capable of instantly, and effortlessly launching universe busters, over petty things like Beerus eating the berry off of their birthday cake.
And then there's the universe busting punches:
Proving that EVERY punch they threw in that fight was universal.
3. For speed, we have nothing, right? WRONG
Here's Beerus flying across hundreds of galaxies in less than 40 seconds:
For the record, that's a minimum of 100 quintillion kilometers, or roughly 62 quintillion miles. Meaning Beerus flew at a minimum of 1.5 quintillion miles per second. Light only moves at 186,000 miles per second. Making Beerus CASUALLY OVER 8 TRILLION TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT.
And if that's not enough, I'll refer you to my above scan, of Beerus and Champa flying across solar systems INSTANTLY while they were fighting.
4. Combat speed? Funny how you supertards argue that, now that Goku is so obviously superior to Superman.
For combat speed, we have Goku on Namek moving FTL to seem intangible against Burter and Jeice. Goku moving across Namek in less than a fraction of a second, Goku blitzing Frieza's FTL death beams, etc. But the most important speed feat? Right here:
Goku outsped Hit, while time was stopped. Meaning Goku moved faster than time itself, or in otherwords, faster than can be measured. He moved and had a battle in the span of what is known as a "planck instant". In other words, Goku's speed has become as much of a plot device as Wally West Flash's. Making Goku on par with the FASTEST characters in all of fiction. Superman isn't even a blip on that radar.
Beerus >>>>> Hit > Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman.