Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That whole scan you just posted PROVES that I'm right. If the book was infinite, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN END TO IT. 👆

The entire argument you just posted is an argument that argues MY point, lol. If everyone reads a different book INSIDE the book of infinity, then only ONE book exists in it at a time. This follows cannon, since limbo is where "matter and memory cease to exist", meaning that it might have infinite books, but only one exists at a time. Good job, genius. You pretty much just proved my whole argument right. 😆

And fyi, here's Merryman even stating that there is only one book in it at a time.

First, Superman has taken risks PLENTY of times. He takes a risk every time he lets a bad guy walk away, without killing them.

Secondly, YES, those ARE the two arguments you can make. So I'll show you AGAIN why BOTH are wrong. 👆

1. If Shazam and Superman are both infinitely powerful, then what does that make Wonder Woman? Shazam has the strength of Hercules, and Wonder Woman is EXPLICITLY [B]STRONGER than Hercules. You can NOT be stronger than an infinite strength. It just doesn't work that way. So this argument is clearly bogus, as Shazam is weaker than Wonder Woman, who couldn't even move the War World.

2. This argument is EQUALLY silly, lol. Shazam RELIEVED the strain from Superman, AS SUPERMAN EVEN STATED. Meaning that if Shazam was lifting even just a tiny 0.00000000000000000000001% of the book, he was STILL lifting infinity.

So in both cases, the weight HAS to be finite, otherwise, Shazam's help wouldn't have mattered. And Superman would have told him to stay away, since Shazam was dying just from holding it. His skull started ringing the second they picked it up, for christ sake. So Superman obviously NEEDED his help, or he wouldn't have put the ten year old Billy Batson in danger of dying, now would he? [/B]

facepalm Seriously dude, read the comic before wasting more of my time and making an even bigger fool out of yourself...

There is no end to it. There are multiple ends, an infinite number of them to be exact. Do you even understand what this is all about? I doubt it. The book contains every book possible, an infinite number of pages occupying the same space, this is clear stated, canon, fact. It has infinite pages, no one can read it. If it would be only a single book at a time you could read it till the end, but you can't, Ultraman read only the part he wanted to read. That's why the machine with infinite memory was needed. If it would be only a book at a time you wouldn't need a machine with infinite memory, that can read an infinite number of pages AT ONCE, which proves that the infinite pages always exist, as stated on panel. There are INFINITE PAGES IN THE BOOK "AT ONCE", at the same time. The whole point of it. You are clearly not a Genius and you are now desperate. Still I cleared this flaw in your thinking. Ultraman read a final chapter, the believed to be the final chapter btw, not the whole book, and the wrong one as we can see at the end of Final Crisis, as an infinite number of those books, stories is in this one story. Guess whose story?

Oh god, seriously? The whole Multiverse is in jeopardy...

1. Jesus christ, read the goddamn book and stop trolling. Shazam uses not only Hercules strength, he amps himself further with Atlas Stamina and the power of Zeus. He can combine this to amp his strength. So he can be stronger than Hercules.

2. Just to get sure you got all your senses... what is 200Septillion/Infinity?

I already proved you wrong multiple times. The only one believing that YOUR, and your only, "wishful thinking" is right are you. Everyone else goes with the writer statement, intent, that according to you is not as valid as your "theory".

I think you are a raging lost case tbh. It goes like this:

You: Goku should have won because reasons and Superman booh, the book not infinite.
Me: You are wrong, here is the reason.
You: I say you nay! Not infinite!
Me: Look at this scan.
You: I say you nay!*closes eyes. Not infinite! You no proof!
Me: Here is the proof.
You: I say you nay! I see nothing! Here is my Logic!
Me: Explains why "Logic" is flawed.
You: I say you nay! *closes ears and eyes*. Math!
Me: Your Math is weak, this is correct.
You: I say you nay! Writer is dumb!
Me: Writer > You.
You: I say you nay! Impossible!
Me: Comics are fiction, the impossible becomes possible.
You: I say you nay! *ragemode*

How can you even debate with someone who closes his eyes and ears to reason, scans, facts and the actual comic and disagrees just to repeat his own opinion which is plain and simple as wrong as a cactus in the anus of a pitbull...

To make it really simple for you:
How can something be infinite?
In comics it can.
But why?
Because the writer wants it.
But it's impossible isn't it?
It's a comic, fiction and in fiction everything is possible, even the impossible.

So deal with it. And do us all a favor and read Final Crisis, at least once, better yet 10 times, till you understand it before trolling us further with your nonsense.

And yes, I will report you from now on.

Never though that Final Crisis was that hard to understand, I feel like teaching a 1 year old to read shakespear...

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If that's what you think, then you clearly don't know what the definition of infinity is.

"The state or quality of being infinite.", that is the definition of the word infinity. Meaning that if the book WAS infinite, there would BE no end to it, meaning that Ultraman himself proved that it was FINITE.

I don't know why I'm explaining this to the short bus driver anyway, I'm just wasting my time with you.

NONE ARE BIGGER. They are all three INFINITE.

That is your problem. You're imagining infinity as a set of finite numbers, when it is STRICTLY LIMITLESS BY DEFINITION.

In all three of the settings you just brought up, the numbers would go on until infinity, and be INFINITE. There is no upper limit to infinity, AS IT IS ENDLESS, BY DEFINITION.

I've already proven you wrong on this, so there's no point in furthering this ridiculous, third grade interpretation of a word, just so you can make your favorite character look like a badass. 👇

facepalm

1. My reply was not directed at you.
2. You don't understand infinity it seems.
3. My reply was humor, as someone with a bit of reason could have guessed, looking at the icons.
4. Maybe you should really stick to reading DB Mangas, they are simple enough to comprehend after all.

dur

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If that's what you think, then you clearly don't know what the definition of infinity is.

"The state or quality of being infinite.", that is the definition of the word infinity. Meaning that if the book WAS infinite, there would BE no end to it, meaning that Ultraman himself proved that it was FINITE.

I don't know why I'm explaining this to the short bus driver anyway, I'm just wasting my time with you.

NONE ARE BIGGER. They are all three INFINITE.

That is your problem. You're imagining infinity as a set of finite numbers, when it is STRICTLY LIMITLESS BY DEFINITION.

In all three of the settings you just brought up, the numbers would go on until infinity, and be INFINITE. There is no upper limit to infinity, AS IT IS ENDLESS, BY DEFINITION.

I've already proven you wrong on this, so there's no point in furthering this ridiculous, third grade interpretation of a word, just so you can make your favorite character look like a badass. 👇

👇

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalm

1. My reply was not directed at you.
2. You don't understand infinity it seems.
3. My reply was humor, as someone with a bit of reason could have guessed, looking at the icons.
4. Maybe you should really stick to reading DB Mangas, they are simple enough to comprehend after all.

dur

Don't get worked up, Gogeta's opinion comes from regurgitated shitopedia.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalm Seriously dude, read the comic before wasting more of my time and making an even bigger fool out of yourself...

There is no end to it. There are multiple ends, an infinite number of them to be exact. Do you even understand what this is all about? I doubt it. The book contains every book possible, an infinite number of pages occupying the same space, this is clear stated, canon, fact. It has infinite pages, no one can read it. If it would be only a single book at a time you could read it till the end, but you can't, Ultraman read only the part he wanted to read. That's why the machine with infinite memory was needed. If it would be only a book at a time you wouldn't need a machine with infinite memory, that can read an infinite number of pages AT ONCE, which proves that the infinite pages always exist, as stated on panel. There are INFINITE PAGES IN THE BOOK "AT ONCE", at the same time. The whole point of it. You are clearly not a Genius and you are now desperate. Still I cleared this flaw in your thinking. Ultraman read a final chapter, the believed to be the final chapter btw, not the whole book, and the wrong one as we can see at the end of Final Crisis, as an infinite number of those books, stories is in this one story. Guess whose story?

Oh god, seriously? The whole Multiverse is in jeopardy...

1. Jesus christ, read the goddamn book and stop trolling. Shazam uses not only Hercules strength, he amps himself further with Atlas Stamina and the power of Zeus. He can combine this to amp his strength. So he can be stronger than Hercules.

2. Just to get sure you got all your senses... what is 200Septillion/Infinity?

I already proved you wrong multiple times. The only one believing that YOUR, and your only, "wishful thinking" is right are you. Everyone else goes with the writer statement, intent, that according to you is not as valid as your "theory".

I think you are a raging lost case tbh. It goes like this:

You: Goku should have won because reasons and Superman booh, the book not infinite.
Me: You are wrong, here is the reason.
You: I say you nay! Not infinite!
Me: Look at this scan.
You: I say you nay!*closes eyes. Not infinite! You no proof!
Me: Here is the proof.
You: I say you nay! I see nothing! Here is my Logic!
Me: Explains why "Logic" is flawed.
You: I say you nay! *closes ears and eyes*. Math!
Me: Your Math is weak, this is correct.
You: I say you nay! Writer is dumb!
Me: Writer > You.
You: I say you nay! Impossible!
Me: Comics are fiction, the impossible becomes possible.
You: I say you nay! *ragemode*

How can you even debate with someone who closes his eyes and ears to reason, scans, facts and the actual comic and disagrees just to repeat his own opinion which is plain and simple as wrong as a cactus in the anus of a pitbull...

To make it really simple for you:
How can something be infinite?
In comics it can.
But why?
Because the writer wants it.
But it's impossible isn't it?
It's a comic, fiction and in fiction everything is possible, even the impossible.

So deal with it. And do us all a favor and read Final Crisis, at least once, better yet 10 times, till you understand it before trolling us further with your nonsense.

And yes, I will report you from now on.

Never though that Final Crisis was that hard to understand, I feel like teaching a 1 year old to read shakespear...

You're clearly having a hard time getting this, so I'll make it extremely simple for you.

1. You literally just said, "There is no end to it. There are multiple ends, an infinite number of them to be exact.". Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

You're wrong on both accounts. There is AN end to it. Not "multiple ends". A book can only end once. You're not even making any sense.

2. You just said it has infinite pages, and that no one can read it. BUT ULTRAMAN DID. Which he could NOT do, if the book had infinite pages.

He stated he read "the end", of it. Even if he only read the part he wanted, IT WAS STILL THE END, MEANING THE BOOK IS FINITE, AS AN "END" IS A LIMIT, AND INFINITY IS LIMITLESS. 👆

You really need to have the nearest first grader explain this to you.

3. No, if it was only one book for every different person that reads it, it would make PERFECT sense that only a computer could read it, as a computer isn't a person. So the book inside the book of infinity is different to everyone. Meaning it's only one book at a time, which means that you are lifting ONE BOOK. The only reason it's so heavy, is because it probably has some kind of limbo magic applied to it, to stop most people from reading it.

And again, you're ignoring the statement by Merryman that it was only one different book for every different person. Because you know I'm right. 😛

4. IF ULTRAMAN READ THE LAST PAGE, THEN THERE IS A LAST PAGE. MEANING THAT IT HAS A FINITE NUMBER OF PAGES, LYING IN BETWEEN THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING. 👆

5. Clearly there are plenty of other people siding with me. The only ones on your side are the short bus crew, including Yungz, and TI. And they're probably just making themselves look stupid with you, to spite me.

Stiltman and cdtm have both voiced disagreement to your idiotic suggestion that Superman lifted infinite weight, when it is CLEARLY not so.

6. Yes, the author's intention matters. But NOT if he makes the feats of his characters too inaccurate. If Superman had lifted the book by himself, stating that only he could lift infinite weight, then the feat would be solid. But it's not. Superman needed help, meaning that he has FINITE strength, and meaning that the WEAKER Shazam's strength was also FINITE. And two FINITE'S can NOT equate to infinite. 👆

Meaning that neither have infinite strength, even put together.

7. Shazam only has the strength of Hercules. The "stamina" of Atlas only gives him STAMINA. Meaning that he can use his full strength for as long as Atlas can use HIS full strength. Which simply means that Shazam can use Hercules' strength for as long as Atlas can use Atlas' strength. And the "power" of Zeus is just his lighting. In fact, in most versions, his list of powers includes simply, "the lightning bolts of Zeus". And is a lot of versions, Shazam can only use Zeus' lightning by saying "Shazam", and having the magic lightning strike someone that he's holding above him.

Either way, you're missing the point here. Neither Hercules, nor Zeus, have infinite strength. Meaning that Shazam does NOT have infinite strength. And the scan you just posted proves my argument EVEN FURTHER. Because it shows that Shazam, who has FINITE strength, is Superman's peer in strength.

8. Do you realize that you're still arguing that Superman can lift infinite weight, and Shazam can only lift 200 septillion tons? Even after you just posted a scan of them both being equal in terms of strength in an arm wrestle?

And btw, 200 septillion tons is over a thousand times heavier than the greatest lifting feat we've ever seen from Superman. So good job trying to highball the shit out of him, but you're really not smart enough to do that, as you just multiplied his one arm feat by A MILLION. lol

9. And LOLOLOLOL, 😆 THE ONLY "REASON" YOU'VE POSTED TO THE BOOK BEING INFINITE WAS THAT SUPERMAN SAID IT WAS! lol, feats > statements, so you're wrong, pal. 👆

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10. The last point.

I am NOT in any way, shape, or form, suggesting that the book cannot be infinite, because infinity cannot exist in real life. I have PROVEN over and over again, that it is NOT infinite, because the feats in the comic, ON PANEL, CONTRADICT the very PREMISE of infinity. So even IF the author wanted it to be a feat of infinity for Superman, it DOESN'T MATTER, because he didn't execute it the right way. Any 10 year old, with a basic understanding of arithmetic could tell you the same.

This is just... sad, tbh.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalm

1. My reply was not directed at you.
2. You don't understand infinity it seems.
3. My reply was humor, as someone with a bit of reason could have guessed, looking at the icons.
4. Maybe you should really stick to reading DB Mangas, they are simple enough to comprehend after all.

dur

1. Doesn't matter. It was one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen posted on here, so I felt the compulsion to shut it down. 👆

2. YOU don't understand infinity. There is NO END to ANY infinity. Meaning that you cannot judge how big it is, because there is nothing to measure. It just goes on forever. Meaning that there is no limit to it. So even with your first grade interpretation of infinity, you should be able to understand that there is nothing BIGGER than infinity, as it simply doesn't end. Ever. Meaning that one set of infinite numbers CANNOT have more numbers than another, because there is no limit to integers in mathematics. Simple as that. 👆

3. So? All of your comments are pretty funny, as they have most likely been thought up by a pre-teen, who hasn't even taken pre-algebra yet. You have no understanding of mathematics whatsoever, and that doesn't make it okay to post untrue "facts". Ignorance doesn't make it okay. Since you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking about it. 👆

4. You're one to talk. You're the one taking statements at face value over feats, logic, and simple math. If I say that I'm going to lift a television that weighs 200 quintillion tons, and lift a regular tv, you would probably assume that the tv weighed 200 quintillion tons, even though all logic and reason pointed to otherwise. You are just... pitiful. 👇

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're clearly having a hard time getting this, so I'll make it extremely simple for you.

1. You literally just said, "There is no end to it. There are multiple ends, an infinite number of them to be exact.". Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

You're wrong on both accounts. There is AN end to it. Not "multiple ends". A book can only end once. You're not even making any sense.

2. You just said it has infinite pages, and that no one can read it. BUT ULTRAMAN DID. Which he could NOT do, if the book had infinite pages.

He stated he read "the end", of it. Even if he only read the part he wanted, IT WAS STILL THE END, MEANING THE BOOK IS FINITE, AS AN "END" IS A LIMIT, AND INFINITY IS LIMITLESS. 👆

You really need to have the nearest first grader explain this to you.

3. No, if it was only one book for every different person that reads it, it would make PERFECT sense that only a computer could read it, as a computer isn't a person. So the book inside the book of infinity is different to everyone. Meaning it's only one book at a time, which means that you are lifting ONE BOOK. The only reason it's so heavy, is because it probably has some kind of limbo magic applied to it, to stop most people from reading it.

And again, you're ignoring the statement by Merryman that it was only one different book for every different person. Because you know I'm right. 😛

4. IF ULTRAMAN READ THE LAST PAGE, THEN THERE [B]IS A LAST PAGE. MEANING THAT IT HAS A FINITE NUMBER OF PAGES, LYING IN BETWEEN THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING. 👆

5. Clearly there are plenty of other people siding with me. The only ones on your side are the short bus crew, including Yungz, and TI. And they're probably just making themselves look stupid with you, to spite me.

Stiltman and cdtm have both voiced disagreement to your idiotic suggestion that Superman lifted infinite weight, when it is CLEARLY not so.

6. Yes, the author's intention matters. But NOT if he makes the feats of his characters too inaccurate. If Superman had lifted the book by himself, stating that only he could lift infinite weight, then the feat would be solid. But it's not. Superman needed help, meaning that he has FINITE strength, and meaning that the WEAKER Shazam's strength was also FINITE. And two FINITE'S can NOT equate to infinite. 👆

Meaning that neither have infinite strength, even put together.

7. Shazam only has the strength of Hercules. The "stamina" of Atlas only gives him STAMINA. Meaning that he can use his full strength for as long as Atlas can use HIS full strength. Which simply means that Shazam can use Hercules' strength for as long as Atlas can use Atlas' strength. And the "power" of Zeus is just his lighting. In fact, in most versions, his list of powers includes simply, "the lightning bolts of Zeus". And is a lot of versions, Shazam can only use Zeus' lightning by saying "Shazam", and having the magic lightning strike someone that he's holding above him.

Either way, you're missing the point here. Neither Hercules, nor Zeus, have infinite strength. Meaning that Shazam does NOT have infinite strength. And the scan you just posted proves my argument EVEN FURTHER. Because it shows that Shazam, who has FINITE strength, is Superman's peer in strength.

8. Do you realize that you're still arguing that Superman can lift infinite weight, and Shazam can only lift 200 septillion tons? Even after you just posted a scan of them both being equal in terms of strength in an arm wrestle?

And btw, 200 septillion tons is over a thousand times heavier than the greatest lifting feat we've ever seen from Superman. So good job trying to highball the shit out of him, but you're really not smart enough to do that, as you just multiplied his one arm feat by A MILLION. lol

9. And LOLOLOLOL, 😆 THE ONLY "REASON" YOU'VE POSTED TO THE BOOK BEING INFINITE WAS THAT SUPERMAN SAID IT WAS! lol, feats > statements, so you're wrong, pal. 👆

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10. The last point.

I am NOT in any way, shape, or form, suggesting that the book cannot be infinite, because infinity cannot exist in real life. I have PROVEN over and over again, that it is NOT infinite, because the feats in the comic, ON PANEL, CONTRADICT the very PREMISE of infinity. So even IF the author wanted it to be a feat of infinity for Superman, it DOESN'T MATTER, because he didn't execute it the right way. Any 10 year old, with a basic understanding of arithmetic could tell you the same.

This is just... sad, tbh. [/B]

1. Not an Book with "infinite Pages containing every Book possible".... you are doing this on purpose, being dense. Infinite Books = Infinite Endings. Proof, Ultraman read just one possibility out of a number of infinite possible endings, since "his" ending, the ending he read didn't become true. For this you need to read Final Crisis though.

2. Read Final Crisis, Ultraman didn't read to the end, he read what he believed is the FINAL CHAPTER of a book out of infinite books. Proof, only the Machine with infinite memory could read all pages at once and see that there are differen't endings. Ultraman saw just one ending, while indeed FC ended differently from what he belived. You should repeat the first grad, you failed.

3. You fail at english again and at basic understanding. Merryman said "From what I heard" he was guessing but still he made it infinite with the additional statement "It's got all the others in it". And since we know that it's a book with INFINITE PAGES occupying the SAME SPACE, with EVERY BOOK POSSIBLE, it means exactly this, the book has infinite Pages. The Perfect sense BS you just pulled out of your pants is just your wishful thinking tbh, no where was this stated and hence why it required Superman/Shazam and Ultraman to lift it. If it would be just one book it wouldn't be heavy at all. So you fail again.

4. He read what he believed what was the last page, the ending of Final Crisis and he was wrong, because Final Crisi ended differently from what he saw. Now I am 100% sure you never read FC.

5. People don't like it that Superman lifted infinity but they go rather with the writer statement than your wishful thinking. Everyone who read the comic and understood the beauty of it, agrees with me.

6. The feat was perfect. First Superman never stated he needed help, he asked Shazam to come with him, Superman is the good guy. I already explained this to you. The feat was perfect, like when Suprema lifted the Universe that was conained in a simple glass ball. Here you have a book, the writer gives as an perfect and accurated description how heavy it is by a) needing the strongest being in the Multiverse to lift it and b) by stating that it has an infinite number of pages occupying the same space. Perfect, flawless and beautiful, except if you have the reading comprehension of a 3 months old.

7. You just rambling around now. I showed you a perfect example of Shazam using Atlas to boost his strength... You don't read comics, you don't understand them. The only reason you are here is obvious. You are mad that SSJGSSJ got ROFLstomped by Superman in the latest DeathBattle.

8 facepalm Supermans one hand quantillion tons feat is not his greatest. Sans the legit infinite Book feat it is the benchpressing earth for 5 straight days without sunlight feat. Good job of showing you know nothing about Superman 👆 . You still doged the question, how much is 200/infinity? Amuse me. The number is irrelevant, if you feel better take 200 Millions.

9. Feats > your statements. I agree. Feat = Superman lifting a book with an infinite number of pages. Your statement = crycrygokulostcrycry

10. You have no basic understanding of arithmetic. " IF the author wanted it to be a feat of infinity for Superman, it DOESN'T MATTER" -> You opinion does? I loled.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. Doesn't matter. It was one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen posted on here, so I felt the compulsion to shut it down. 👆

2. YOU don't understand infinity. There is NO END to ANY infinity. Meaning that you cannot judge how big it is, because there is nothing to measure. It just goes on forever. Meaning that there is no limit to it. So even with your first grade interpretation of infinity, you should be able to understand that there is nothing BIGGER than infinity, as it simply doesn't end. Ever. Meaning that one set of infinite numbers CANNOT have more numbers than another, because there is no limit to integers in mathematics. Simple as that. 👆

3. So? All of your comments are pretty funny, as they have most likely been thought up by a pre-teen, who hasn't even taken pre-algebra yet. You have no understanding of mathematics whatsoever, and that doesn't make it okay to post untrue "facts". Ignorance doesn't make it okay. Since you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking about it. 👆

4. You're one to talk. You're the one taking statements at face value over feats, logic, and simple math. If I say that I'm going to lift a television that weighs 200 quintillion tons, and lift a regular tv, you would probably assume that the tv weighed 200 quintillion tons, even though all logic and reason pointed to otherwise. You are just... pitiful. 👇

1. First I showed something that is mathematically true, but you didn't understand it.

2.You still don't get it.

3. You are still not getting it and just acting dense.

4. You are living in a comic book where your TV weights 200 quintillion tons? Call the doctor and take your medicine, you need it.

So, obviously your eyes and ears are closed to reason, facts, on panel feats, statements and the writer intention, which makes you just a troll. The reason for this is you anger and your hurt feelings because Goku lost, AGAIN, and will never be able to win. Most people agree, expecially the ones from Deathbattle.

Has Superman infinite strength?
If he needs to have it for the Story, yes. Proof FC.
On a daily Basis?
No, else everything would be in danger.
But how can that be?
Mental Blockades.
But this is impossible.
Man that fly with their own power, people who shoot blasts from the eyes, everything is possible in ficition, even the impossible.

Deathbattle takes them at their best and thus why this is legit, though seeing the DB lifting feats, I would have made rather Goku vs Superboy, though Superboy would beat him too, easily.

I have wasted enough time showing you, the flaws of your "logic", proving you wrong with on panel feats and explaining everything to you in the simplest way possible, which you still didn't get because you simply don't want to understand it. You didn't even read FC for crying out loud.

Everyone can go through the scans I posted and judge for himself. It will end with this:

On panel fact from FC:
Morrison created one of the best stories ever, where the ultimate force of good, Superman, is faced with impossible tasks to defeat the ultimate evil. One of those tasks was to lift a book with an infinite number of pages occupying the same space, which is impossible since it's infinitly heavy, he succeeded because he needed to succeed.

Your stance:

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

The writers intention doesn't matter.

And to explain everyone why you feel this way:

a) YouTube video

b) YouTube video

The second one is cool, 11:25 Superman walks through Gokus most powerful Kamehameha and ROFLstomps him with one hand.

Superman vs Goku. Winner Superman Fatality!

And before you keep on acting like a 3 month old baby that cries, I recommend you read FC, the complete story, else you will just see a small part and understand nothing. You are yet blind, deaf and act not very bright.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Goku lost, AGAIN, and will never be able to win.

Disagree with this.
We still didn't see nothing regarding the new potential of Goku and the Gods, also AT already confirmed that Goku will become much stronger than even his current SSGSS display during the course of the 100+ episodes of DBS, where we furthermore will probably see serious Beerus and Whis performances along with interuniversal fights.
There's a substantial chance that, at the end of DBS, current Superman will get his ass manhandled by Goku and the other top tiers, like it happened to him in the past at the hands of even weaker characters.

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Disagree with this.
We still didn't see nothing regarding the new potential of Goku and the Gods, also AT already confirmed that Goku will become much stronger than even his current SSGSS display during the course of the 100+ episodes of DBS, where we furthermore will probably see serious Beerus and Whis performances along with interuniversal fights.
There's a substantial chance that, at the end of DBS, current Superman will get his ass manhandled by Goku and the other top tiers, like it happened to him in the past at the hands of even weaker characters.

Dragonball GT plays in the future, though non-canon to current DB, current DB should by all means be canon to GT. GT has the most ridiculous powerscaling and SSJ4 Goku already lost.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Dragonball GT plays in the future, though non-canon to current DB, current DB should by all means be canon to GT. GT has the most ridiculous powerscaling and SSJ4 Goku already lost.

But, as you said, GT is inconsequential to SSG and DBS: when it was made, SSG didn't exist and the new material has the explicit task to cancel GT out of existence.
Also, feats-wise, the casual displays of a nonchalance Beerus in the first 3 episodes of DBS already outmatch everything GT has to offer and, by the end of DBS, 100% Beerus would probably be insignificant to Goku.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
current DB should by all means be canon to GT.

No. It doesn't work that way.

Same as Steve's return from his "death" is not canon to Old Man Logan future.

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
But, as you said, GT is inconsequential to SSG and DBS: when it was made, SSG didn't exist and the new material has the explicit task to cancel GT out of existence.
Also, feats-wise, the casual displays of a nonchalance Beerus in the first 3 episodes of DBS already outmatch everything GT has to offer and, by the end of DBS, 100% Beerus would probably be insignificant to Goku.

GT will still always be there and their PL increase is beyond anything I have seen in the current DB.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. It doesn't work that way.

Same as Steve's return from his "death" is not canon to Old Man Logan future.

Fair enough. Still I don't see SSJGSSJ anywhere near the PL of SSJ4 Goku.

Yeah, it shouldn't be anywhere near it. GT Goku had more time to train, has more feats and everything.

I feel GT should just be set as a separate universe in the DB multiverse.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. Doesn't matter. It was one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen posted on here, so I felt the compulsion to shut it down. 👆

2. YOU don't understand infinity. There is NO END to ANY infinity. Meaning that you cannot judge how big it is, because there is nothing to measure. It just goes on forever. Meaning that there is no limit to it. So even with your first grade interpretation of infinity, you should be able to understand that there is nothing BIGGER than infinity, as it simply doesn't end. Ever. Meaning that one set of infinite numbers CANNOT have more numbers than another, because there is no limit to integers in mathematics. Simple as that. 👆

3. So? All of your comments are pretty funny, as they have most likely been thought up by a pre-teen, who hasn't even taken pre-algebra yet. You have no understanding of mathematics whatsoever, and that doesn't make it okay to post untrue "facts". Ignorance doesn't make it okay. Since you don't know what you're talking about, just stop talking about it. 👆

4. You're one to talk. You're the one taking statements at face value over feats, logic, and simple math. If I say that I'm going to lift a television that weighs 200 quintillion tons, and lift a regular tv, you would probably assume that the tv weighed 200 quintillion tons, even though all logic and reason pointed to otherwise. You are just... pitiful. 👇

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Go back to school

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Dragonball GT plays in the future, though non-canon to current DB, current DB should by all means be canon to GT. GT has the most ridiculous powerscaling and SSJ4 Goku already lost.

You're using Death Battle as a reference and treat it as what would actually happen? That show used SSJ4 Goku with DBZ Goku power, not DBGT where base Goku is already as strong as SSJ3.

Good point.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
You're using Death Battle as a reference and treat it as what would actually happen? That show used SSJ4 Goku with DBZ Goku power, not DBGT where base Goku is already as strong as SSJ3.

No. I am not. Indeed I always said and hoped that they will let Goku win in this second match. It would have been a nice gesture. Not because I believe he can do it, tbh I don't and I really don't care but I knew that the Dragonball fans will go into rage mode, because they just can't stand to see someone more powerful, they can't stand someone beating their beloved char. Now they are everywhere on the internet, at least where I like to waste some time, and spill their nonsense. They are like cancer, just worse, invading everything and killing braincells.
They take scans out of the context, without even reading the comic or understanding what they read and use their Dragonball-devolved -"Brains" to prove with their misunderstanding of science, or what they believe to be science, that this particular scan, sentence etc is wrong. Disagreeing with the writers, the comics and most of all fiction as a medium. It's like seeing people, who have never seen a car before, or driven one, who don't even know what a phucking car ist, explain other people how to "use" it. And now they are even here, on KMC...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
GT will still always be there and their PL increase is beyond anything I have seen in the current DB.

Ok, but current DB (which is DBS) has yet to start and its early feats already overshadow anything GT has to offer.
For example: if during DBS one character will blow up a galaxy, will you still say that GT characters are stronger?
GT has a lot of implied power, but the displays are ridicolus (that's why it's garbage) and you can't correlate it with DBS because, at the time, the SSG concept didn't exist, and DBS is specifically made in order to disregard GT itself.
Because of DBS, probably even EoZ is going to be retconnected in some way by AT.