Quinlan Vos (Dark Disciple) vs. TCW Darth Maul

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Could you please enlighten me on how Vos beat Dooku if he's <Maul?

Besides the fact that Maul could beat Dooku as well? Fights are variable, and different fighters handle different situations differently.

I fail to see any area where Vos actually eclipses Maul other than sheer unpredictability, though that's not to say that they aren't peers in other respects.

How strong do you think DD Vos is, then?

Originally posted by Total Warrior
How strong do you think DD Vos is, then?

Just a cut below Maul, lol. He can potentially take 3-4 wins out of 10, tbh.

So a high-tier 8 fighter. Ok, i can agree with you

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which is pretty noticeable if we use Kenobi as the measuring stick. Unless you go by the whole Juyo > Djem So > Makashi > Soresu = Juyo/Djem So.
You'll notice that your ABC logic is poorly applied here.

Makashi; heavily precise dueling form designed solely for one on one combat, ideal for picking apart one's defence while conserving as much energy as possible, using the minimum amount of movement required.

Soresu; a purely defensive form designed to tire opponents out and wait for them to make mistakes, which has a root in blaster bolt deflection, opposed to dueling.

Makes sense that Dooku does well against Kenobi when he's already a little bit more skilled than him, his dueling form covers every potential weak area Soresu seeks to exploit, and from there Soresu simply isn't aggressive enough to (it lacks aggressive qualities altogether really) push a Makashi practitioner. Kenobi's Ataru? Dooku's remarked that he knows every facet of the form, every weakness, which is why he suspects he would have defeated Qui-Gon without much issue should they have ever fought.

Kenobi's style of combat is much better suited to facing Juyo than Makashi; it's not advantageous, but it's better than any other for fending off the erratic, speed and strength based assaults designed to flatten someone's defence ASAP.

And more on that point; Maul's brand of Juyo is better suited against Dooku's Makashi than Kenobi's Soresu, due to the maximum efforts placed on aggression, striking strength, speed, unpredictability and kinetic movement. It keeps Dooku on his toes far more, wears him out more quickly, and is a much more difficult assault to launch a counter-attack against.

Setting aside style advantages; Maul and Kenobi are both praised as being among the best duelists in all of recorded history with the feats to back it up, as you know. Windu and Dooku are better, but by a slim margin.

And more to the actual point I was making: no, Dooku's not taking a "large" majority on account of a power Maul can circumvent better than most of Dooku's competition.

Originally posted by Trocity
No, he isn't.
Yes, he is.

Originally posted by Trocity
No, he isn't.

Quan is an idiot who goes against his own rules. I'm currently beating him in a Dooku vs Maul debate in the movie vs forum. You're welcome to chime in if you ever want to.

Solution the Quan Chi problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsQFV687l4

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Quan is an idiot who goes against his own rules. I'm currently beating him in a Dooku vs Maul debate in the movie vs forum. You're welcome to chime in if you ever want to.
You are being ridiculous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is.

Based on?

Originally posted by Trocity
Based on?

Even in the canon Maul is a tier below Dooku. The authors of SoD pretty blatantly state this. Vos wins.

If we are only using canon feats only, Dooku still wins. If we use Legends and Canon feats Dooku stomps even harder.

Yeah, Legends Dooku would beat him thoroughly imo

Originally posted by Lord Stark
[B]Even in the canon Maul is a tier below Dooku. The authors of SoD pretty blatantly state this. Vos wins.

When?, not disbelieving you

Originally posted by carthage
Yeah, Legends Dooku would beat him thoroughly imo

Isn't that kind of an oxy moron though?

Because essentially, Canon Dooku has the movies and the Disney stuff, and Legends dooku has TCW and the legends works.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Even in the canon Maul is a tier below Dooku. The authors of SoD pretty blatantly state this. Vos wins.

Actually, Jeremy Barlow said he thinks Maul would take Dooku 6-7/10 when asked on Twitter.

Basically in the quote you're referring to, Jeremy said that in terms of raw power/ability he's not quite as good as Dooku and Vader, but he stands as their peer through sheer force of will lol.

Jeremy Barlow also isn't exactly the most credible authority on any of the characters, and nowhere was it suggested that he's putting what we define as an entire tier between the three.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Jeremy Barlow said he thinks Maul would take Dooku 6-7/10

Jeremy Barlow is incorrect.

2-3/10 more like.

Well for one thing, your opinion. Secondly, that was in response to Stark saying Jeremy confirmed Dooku would beat Maul. 😬

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Actually, Jeremy Barlow said he thinks Maul would take Dooku 6-7/10 when asked on Twitter.

Basically in the quote you're referring to, Jeremy said that in terms of raw power/ability he's not quite as good as Dooku and Vader, but he stands as their peer through sheer force of will lol.

Yep. The "Authors" Lord Stark referred to was just Barlow. And he did confirm on Twitter (to Marco) that he thinks Maul would take Dooku for a majority. Marco then harassed him into saying Maul could take Vader but Barlow wouldn't concede on that one Lol.