Martin O'Malley/Sanders Blasted
This crowd is a bunch of idiots..
O'Malley said "All lives matter." And then he is guilty of generalizing
And these fools go crazy, Bernie try's to clean it up, and no one listens. This is the problem with with people acting like immature babies and being emotional.
Then whats worse is he has to apologize for saying "All lives matter."
I support O'Malley but this is a step back for him.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/
The problem with "all lives matter" is that it ignores the point of "black lives matter" and suggests there's equality between the races when there isn't. No one needs to say "white lives matter" because the law and media clearly agree, whereas it isn't always clear in the law and media that black lives really matter.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/netflix-actor-attacks-people-for-saying-all-lives-matter/
Matt McGory made a good explanation of why #AllLivesMatter pisses black people and civil rights crusaders off. I think this is the clearest elucidation:
One tweet read, “#BlackLivesMatter doesn’t mean other lives don’t. Like people who say ‘Save the Rainforests’ aren’t saying ‘**** All Other Types of Forests.'â€
"All Lives Matter" is a tactic to deflect from the real problem, and many people somewhat obliviously buy into it at face value.
Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like saying "Feed everyone" in response to people saying "Feed the starving". It's inappropriate in the context of the conversation.
Originally posted by Bardock42
"All Lives Matter" is a tactic to deflect from the real problem, and many people somewhat obliviously buy into it at face value.Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like saying "Feed everyone" in response to people saying "Feed the starving". It's inappropriate in the context of the conversation.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem with "all lives matter" is that it ignores the point of "black lives matter" and suggests there's equality between the races when there isn't. No one needs to say "white lives matter" because the law and media clearly agree, whereas it isn't always clear in the law and media that black lives really matter.http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/netflix-actor-attacks-people-for-saying-all-lives-matter/
Matt McGory made a good explanation of why #AllLivesMatter pisses black people and civil rights crusaders off. I think this is the clearest elucidation:
I've read about this on reddit but I'm still not fully on board with it. Basically, I see the #BlackLivesMatter as being the offensive one. Then again, I find very few things as offensive but I'm trying to comprehend why people's jimmies are rustled over this.
It would seem like the more politically correct thing to say would be "All Lives Matter."
If the slogan was, "BlackLivesMatterToo", then I would agree with the sentiments of that statement. But it is just "BlackLivesMatter." That's not politically correct. Native American lives matter, too. Hispanic as well (other minorities in the US that face similiar poverty and hardship issues that the black community does).
Why is it bad/taboo for a person to be offended by "BlackLivesMatter" and then for that person to say, "Come on! All lives matter, not just black lives. Don't be racist."?
I'm just not getting this whole argument.
Is this another white guilt thing?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem with "all lives matter" is that it ignores the point of "black lives matter" and suggests there's equality between the races when there isn't. No one needs to say "white lives matter" because the law and media clearly agree, whereas it isn't always clear in the law and media that black lives really matter.http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/netflix-actor-attacks-people-for-saying-all-lives-matter/
Matt McGory made a good explanation of why #AllLivesMatter pisses black people and civil rights crusaders off. I think this is the clearest elucidation:
To be fair it's not always clear in *black communities* that black lives matter. But why would you assume he is saying it from a place of suggesting equality exists? What if it comes from a place of going.."well, we can't have true equality until we stop separating which specific races lives matter"?
Originally posted by Bardock42
"All Lives Matter" is a tactic to deflect from the real problem, and many people somewhat obliviously buy into it at face value.
I don't see it as deflecting in the slightest. I see it calling out the issue with focusing just on one minority as opposed to another with similar issues. But this is such a petty argument. I can't believe people are losing their shit over "BlackLivesMatter".
Originally posted by Bardock42
Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like saying "Feed everyone" in response to people saying "Feed the starving". It's inappropriate in the context of the conversation.
Nah, man, I'm not feeling that comparison. It is not the same as this issue.
It's more like people trending the phrase, "Feed the Veterans" and then people getting offended* that children are excluded so they say, "No, how about the slogan becomes 'Feed the Hungry' so children and single mothers are included, too?"
*Ha...people getting offended over such stupid bullshit. Ugh.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see it as deflecting in the slightest. I see it calling out the issue with focusing just on one minority as opposed to another with similar issues. But this is such a petty argument. I can't believe people are losing their shit over "BlackLivesMatter".Nah, man, I'm not feeling that comparison. It is not the same as this issue.
It's more like people trending the phrase, "Feed the Veterans" and then people getting offended* that children are excluded so they say, "No, how about the slogan becomes 'Feed the Hungry' so children and single mothers are included, too?"
*Ha...people getting offended over such stupid bullshit. Ugh.
You can think what you want, but it won't change reality. The hashtag Black Lives Matter was specifically designed to counter the callous nature with which black people are often treated by the police force, in stark contrast with how white people are treated. People that latch on to the "All Lives Matter" idea basically just drown out this accurate criticism with a toothless, useless catchphrase that has no potential to change anything, which is why it is so well regarded by people who prefer the status quo (i.e. unarmed black men being shot to death regularly by the people allegedly in charge of protecting them).
Originally posted by Surtur
I just think there could of been multiple explanations as to what he means when he says "all lives matter" and is it fair for us to decide that "no, it can only mean one thing"?
For me people should of waited for an explanation before expecting an apology.
If he had come out with "I didn't mean to suggest equality exists, but that all lives matter and that no one race is more important, and I am sticking to that belief" do you think people would of been understanding? Since I could see people still having a problem, even with that.
Originally posted by Surtur
For me people should of waited for an explanation before expecting an apology.If he had come out with "I didn't mean to suggest equality exists, but that all lives matter and that no one race is more important, and I am sticking to that belief" do you think people would of been understanding? Since I could see people still having a problem, even with that.
Yes, because it still deflects. It's not a sufficient explanation when talking about the racial injustice in America.
Originally posted by Bardock42
"All Lives Matter" is a tactic to deflect from the real problem, and many people somewhat obliviously buy into it at face value.Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like saying "Feed everyone" in response to people saying "Feed the starving". It's inappropriate in the context of the conversation.
Originally posted by Surtur
Why does it deflect? Why can't a person say all lives matter and then proceed to address the issues which face specific communities?
When people say "Black Lives Matter" it addresses that inequality head on, it basically states "Black lives do matter, even though there are people that consciously or subconsciously value black lives less than white lives".
Originally posted by Bardock42
You can think what you want, but it won't change reality.
This is not necessary. Clearly, if what I thought was unique, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Reality exists with...what? Probably tens of thousands or even millions of people who think the "Black Lives Matter" is an offensive slogan.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The hashtag Black Lives Matter was specifically designed to counter the callous nature with which black people are often treated by the police force, in stark contrast with how white people are treated. People that latch on to the "All Lives Matter" idea basically just drown out this accurate criticism with a toothless, useless catchphrase that has no potential to change anything, which is why it is so well regarded by people who prefer the status quo (i.e. unarmed black men being shot to death regularly by the people allegedly in charge of protecting them).
So why not make the slogan something far less "offensive"*?
Why not "BlackLivesMatterToo"? That makes sooooo much more sense and, to me, it has the added oomph of an emotional appeal to their plight? Just a "BlackLivesMatter" has the odd and unintended outcome of being polarizing.
*To prevent the strawman, I'm going to keep drawing attention to the fact that this doesn't offend me in the slightest. I'm referring to the people who are whining about being offended about "BlackLivesMatter."
Originally posted by Bardock42
Because "All Lives Matter" is an empty phrase that everyone even racist murderers, would agree with at face value,
Maaaaaaaaaan...
I definitely do not agree with this. A racist murderer (I'm assuming you mean a person that murders a particular race because they hate that race) probably does not think all lives matter...probably that some lives matter more than others.
Originally posted by Bardock42
When people say "Black Lives Matter" it addresses that inequality head on, it basically states "Black lives do matter, even though there are people that consciously or subconsciously value black lives less than white lives".
Don't you think "BlackLivesMatterToo" better speaks to that message, though?
Originally posted by Bardock42
#BlackLivesMatterAsWellThankDadudemonForHelpingUsOutWeCouldn'tDoItWithoutYouThisReallyMakesThePointOhShit140CharacterLimitNoo
I can only assume your childish response is an indirect concession because you don't really have a rebuttal to my points.
It would be great if you actually tried to engage like an adult, though. Because I would like my ideas to be challenged and I would like to improve my understanding on this issue.
Based on your tantrum in the other thread, I think you're in that "mode" thing you do. When you've cooled down and want to actually discuss this topic, feel free to come back. I'll still be level-headed and willing to discuss the issue without insults. 👆
I don't view you as an honest actor so I don't spend much time in my replies to you.
Your suggestion for the other hashtag, which is actually not that different, is just further deflection from the actual issue, just like the "All Lives Matter" people. It's policing the tone instead of discussing the issue.