Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This country has more problems with race now, then it did 8 years ago.I wonder why, no wait it's still Bush's fault.
A lot of latent or invisible racism has lately been brought to the attention of the public conscious. It doesn't mean that the country has more issue with race, just that it deals with it in the open now, and hopefully improvements are made.
Originally posted by Bardock42
A lot of latent or invisible racism has lately been brought to the attention of the public conscious. It doesn't mean that the country has more issue with race, just that it deals with it in the open now, and hopefully improvements are made.
Its worse now, and your can't deny/cover it up with shifty key strokes.
Originally posted by Newjak
IT could be better but it seems the only problem is that some people took the original to mean that black lives matter more. That's not the problem of #BlackLivesMatter movement. I think they've been pretty clear they just want equality.So it almost seems like AllLivesMatter slogan comes off as in direct opposition to the very accurate assessment of racism that BlackLivesMatter is trying to bring light to..
I do not think the BlackLivesMatter slogan really needed any more clarification. I think the AllLivesMatter slogan would have been appropriate if their slogan was #BlackLivesMatterMore
As it stands it feels like AllLivesMatter is just trying to deflect from the real problem BlackLivesMatter is trying to bring out. Even if that was not the AllLivesMatter person's intention. So the focus should be on the problem of racism and social inequality. Not whether some people mistook what the slogan meant. It's not productive at this point.
Ahh, finally, a well-thought-out commentary on my concerns.
Okay, so what I see with my slogan suggestion is this:
If those same people tried to pull this shit with "Black Lives Matter, Too", then there is no way at all that they could avoid the racist label. It would quite clearly make them racist AND idiotic to try and paint this as a "Black Lives Matter, More" slogan. This is why I like my "Black Lives Matter, Too." I really think it avoids this whole fiasco.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUT, I think I am willing to concede my line of reasoning because the blacklivesmatter slogan probably is related to the old feminist slogan of Woman's Voices Matter. <---Don't quote me on that but there was a similar slogan during the women's suffrage movement in the US. I may be mistaken and it wasn't a re-purposing of that slogan but it seems too similar to be a coincidence.
Who came up with the slogan? I think intent and inspiration are important when understanding PR and Marketing things like this (I know, it's sad that my business mind views this shit as PR and Marketing but that's what this is and there's nothing wrong with marketing a rights movement to make it more appealing and "viral" in people's minds).
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This country has more problems with race now, then it did 8 years ago.I wonder why, no wait it's still Bush's fault.
LOL. Yeah, they love to blame everything on republicans. Basically, anyone besides the person who is actually responsible and is clearly trying to start a race war with his race baiting tactics.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I've read about this on reddit but I'm still not fully on board with it. Basically, I see the #BlackLivesMatter as being the offensive one. Then again, I find very few things as offensive but I'm trying to comprehend why people's jimmies are rustled over this.It would seem like the more politically correct thing to say would be "All Lives Matter."
If the slogan was, "BlackLivesMatterToo", then I would agree with the sentiments of that statement. But it is just "BlackLivesMatter." That's not politically correct. Native American lives matter, too. Hispanic as well (other minorities in the US that face similiar poverty and hardship issues that the black community does).
Why is it bad/taboo for a person to be offended by "BlackLivesMatter" and then for that person to say, "Come on! All lives matter, not just black lives. Don't be racist."?
I'm just not getting this whole argument.
Is this another white guilt thing?
Let me break it down simply: Black Americans feel* that the media and the law doesn't value their lives as highly as it does the lives of other ethnicities, particularly white people. They believe their secondary status is so deeply ingrained in American culture that this hashtag needed to be created to make a statement and shed light on the disparity. Lots of well-meaning (or less well-meaning) but uncomprehending people who don't quite understand this or refuse to understand will use some variation of #AllLivesMatter, not realizing that they're changing the subject, watering down the message, and relegating black people's struggle in favor of some meaningless feelgood aphorism.
There's no need to say that white lives matter in our society. Hence why O'Malley made a mistake to say that in response to chants of "Black Lives Matter."
If you're interested in research, I'd recommend talking to a few black people.
*Notice, I don't go as far as to claim in this post that they're right, though I do agree with their view.
The women who heckled O'Malley and Sanders at Netroots Nation are no different than the woman who heckled Obama at the White House LGBT Pride Reception.
It does not take any political courage whatsoever to be confrontational with someone at friendly venue who is on your side of the issue.
I would love to see them pull this stunt on Bush or Walker at the Family Leadership Summit.
That would be speaking truth to power, not alienating the only people who would be inclined to champion their issue.
They can **** right off.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The women who heckled O'Malley and Sanders at Netroots Nation are no different than the woman who heckled Obama at the White House LGBT Pride Reception.It does not take any political courage whatsoever to be confrontational with someone at friendly venue who is on your side of the issue.
I would love to see them pull this stunt on Bush or Walker at the Family Leadership Summit.
That would be speaking truth to power, not alienating the only people who would be inclined to champion their issue.
They can **** right off.
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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The women who heckled O'Malley and Sanders at Netroots Nation are no different than the woman who heckled Obama at the White House LGBT Pride Reception.It does not take any political courage whatsoever to be confrontational with someone at friendly venue who is on your side of the issue.
I would love to see them pull this stunt on Bush or Walker at the Family Leadership Summit.
That would be speaking truth to power, not alienating the only people who would be inclined to champion their issue.
They can **** right off.
This 👆
This is why I have no respect for these people.
They'd rather heckle their white friends, who already agree with them, than take the issues to the people who are making their lives worse.
This, like modern feminism, is a cause championed entirely by well off upper middle class shits and their white guilt/cuckold friends.
Originally posted by krisblaze
This 👆This is why I have no respect for these people.
They'd rather heckle their white friends, who already agree with them, than take the issues to the people who are making their lives worse.
This, like modern feminism, is a cause championed entirely by well off upper middle class shits and their white guilt/cuckold friends.
Yeah, those 5 hecklers represent all the people that were inspired by and champion the "Black Lives Matter" slogan.
I find heckling problematic as well, but it's not as simple as "all heckling is bad", some voices are not heard or given any airtime, in public discourse and I can understand why some people feel the need that they need to create the attention for their cause themselves using such methods.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, those 5 hecklers represent all the people that were inspired by and champion the "Black Lives Matter" slogan.I find heckling problematic as well, but it's not as simple as "all heckling is bad", some voices are not heard or given any airtime, in public discourse and I can understand why some people feel the need that they need to create the attention for their cause themselves using such methods.
I don't like heckling because people who heckle right wingers tend to get beat down by security, where as those who heckle people like Sanders get an apology 😛
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, those 5 hecklers represent all the people that were inspired by and champion the "Black Lives Matter" slogan.
The woman leading the hecklers was Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors on behalf of Black Lives Matter. So yes, these hecklers do represent Black Lives Matter.
In an interview with This Week in Blackness, she went on to say that O'Malley and Sanders "were not humble enough" during their own town hall appearances and that "If you want our vote, you are going to have to do way more work. . . . No more skirting around the issues. We will shut down every single debate."
Originally posted by Bardock42
I find heckling problematic as well, but it's not as simple as "all heckling is bad", some voices are not heard or given any airtime, in public discourse and I can understand why some people feel the need that they need to create the attention for their cause themselves using such methods.
What good does it do your cause to draw attention to yourself if people do not like what they see?
I'd say we need to stop letting extremists on both sides of the aisle control the conversation and stir up shit, but that would imply there was ever a point in American political history where this wasn't happening.
I recently had a brodown on Facebook with some friends of my cousin over the perceived racism of a major poetry magazine's choices in poetry. By not automatically accepting that the magazine was racist I became an enemy. That's as annoying as when Right Wingers call me a communist.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The woman leading the hecklers was Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors on behalf of Black Lives Matter. So yes, these hecklers do represent Black Lives Matter.
I don't think that contradicts what I said.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In an interview with This Week in Blackness, she went on to say that O'Malley and Sanders "were not humble enough" during their own town hall appearances and that "If you want our vote, you are going to have to do way more work. . . . No more skirting around the issues. We will shut down every single debate."What good does it do your cause to draw attention to yourself if people do not like what they see?
It starts the thinking, and adds your voice to the conversation. Sure it would be nice to be liked by everyone whose minds you are trying to change but that's just not gonna work out.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'd say we need to stop letting extremists on both sides of the aisle control the conversation and stir up shit, but that would imply there was ever a point in American political history where this wasn't happening.I recently had a brodown on Facebook with some friends of my cousin over the perceived racism of a major poetry magazine's choices in poetry. By not automatically accepting that the magazine was racist I became an enemy. That's as annoying as when Right Wingers call me a communist.
Do you really think the main issue in current political discourse is that extremists have too much influence?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you really think the main issue in current political discourse is that extremists have too much influence?