Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see it as deflecting in the slightest. I see it calling out the issue with focusing just on one minority as opposed to another with similar issues. But this is such a petty argument. I can't believe people are losing their shit over "BlackLivesMatter".Nah, man, I'm not feeling that comparison. It is not the same as this issue.
It's more like people trending the phrase, "Feed the Veterans" and then people getting offended* that children are excluded so they say, "No, how about the slogan becomes 'Feed the Hungry' so children and single mothers are included, too?"
*Ha...people getting offended over such stupid bullshit. Ugh.
Emotions run the country now, not clear and precise thinking.
Originally posted by Bardock42
"All Lives Matter" is a tactic to deflect from the real problem, and many people somewhat obliviously buy into it at face value.Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like saying "Feed everyone" in response to people saying "Feed the starving". It's inappropriate in the context of the conversation.
Lord have mercy, since when did you become the authority on racial discourse here?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't view you as an honest actor so I don't spend much time in my replies to you.
I'm devastated.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Your suggestion for the other hashtag, which is actually not that different, is just further deflection from the actual issue, just like the "All Lives Matter" people. It's policing the tone instead of discussing the issue.
And I view my suggestion as having more emotional appeal to the cause while also avoiding the polarizing effects of the original.
So now what?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are saying he apologized not because he believed he was wrong, but to appease the crowd. That's lying.
That's not lying at all. And TI was correct to call what you did a strawman.
Apologizing does not equal being wrong.
Unless he said, "I apologize, I was wrong" and then either directly or indirectly implied that he didn't think he was wrong, he's not a liar.
"I apologize for the offense I caused" is not the same thing as "I was wrong for the offense I caused."
Shit, this is like...etiquette 101 type stuff. facepalm
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm devastated.And I view my suggestion as having more emotional appeal to the cause while also avoiding the polarizing effects of the original.
So now what?
Well, I guess what happens now is that the movement will continue with #BlackLivesMatter, and you and I will disagree on whether that's the right approach.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I guess what happens now is that the movement will continue with #BlackLivesMatter, and you and I will disagree on whether that's the right approach.
So do you agree that may slogan is better than the original? Do you think it would have prevented this entire argument from becoming this big?
Originally posted by dadudemon
So do you agree that may slogan is better than the original? Do you think it would have prevented this entire argument from becoming this big?
I think your slogan is less effective. I think it would have prevented this entire O'Malley issue because it probably would have never taken off in the first place.
Originally posted by dadudemonIT could be better but it seems the only problem is that some people took the original to mean that black lives matter more. That's not the problem of #BlackLivesMatter movement. I think they've been pretty clear they just want equality.
So do you agree that may slogan is better than the original? Do you think it would have prevented this entire argument from becoming this big?
So it almost seems like AllLivesMatter slogan comes off as in direct opposition to the very accurate assessment of racism that BlackLivesMatter is trying to bring light to..
I do not think the BlackLivesMatter slogan really needed any more clarification. I think the AllLivesMatter slogan would have been appropriate if their slogan was #BlackLivesMatterMore
As it stands it feels like AllLivesMatter is just trying to deflect from the real problem BlackLivesMatter is trying to bring out. Even if that was not the AllLivesMatter person's intention. So the focus should be on the problem of racism and social inequality. Not whether some people mistook what the slogan meant. It's not productive at this point.