Kas'im vs. Shaak Ti

Started by Selenial15 pages

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It proves it's exaggerated, and shouldn't be taken as face value.

The story is canon, but we must consider that, since the Force is amped, that we should lower all feats to a more appropriate playing field.

So like, instead of Ti dominating a world, it's more like... probably not a world.


I'll sacrifice a battle to win the war. 👆 [/B]

No it doesn't, since he was talking about gameplay:

"We were really looking at ways we could harness the next gen systems to change Gameplay dramtically"

Keep trying though <3

Originally posted by Selenial
No it doesn't, since he was talking about gameplay:

"We were really looking at ways we could harness the next gen systems to change [B]Gameplay dramtically"

Keep trying though <3 [/B]

Cutscenes are gameplay - especially those in TFU in which you even sometimes have to interact with them via slamming buttons on your controller. 😬

Keep denying though 😉

In addition to Ant's highlight:

Originally posted by Selenial
Incorrect. In the same interview he defines the "Re-imagining the Force" as:

"The Force obviously amped up, and out of control, and totally over the top."

aka exaggerated.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The title isn't shit, it's just highly indicative of the nature of the game. My argument isn't deep, because the concept is entirely on the surface and having a legitimate discussion about this is like debating about whether Pirates of the Caribbean was about pirates. Gee, I think it just might be!

You're thinking of a different thing. I'm talking about when he rides the corvette through the atmosphere, tanking rain-drops hitting him with the force of concussion bombs and heat like the inside of a star and then smashes the corvette into a million pieces and then the writer got wankers cramp.

No, learn to deal with me not dealing with it.

Well the main thing in TFU is everyone's level relative to Marek. That's the whole crux of the argument isn't it? That Shaak Ti is so good because she was beating a character as powerful as Marek?

So you're thinking of The Force Unleashed 2, which uses an entirely different character with entirely different power levels?

Not that said feat is better than Sidious or Caedus like you tried to say it was.

No, actually. But that's besides the point really. By your logic, Galen matched Vader in that game. Since that game is an exaggeration, Vader must be weaker than the game indicated him to be. So Vader's brought down in the pecking order because of an appearance in a game where everyone's exaggerated 👆

He totally got beat by a Force User that's really really exaggerated and not powerful, so Vader must be so shit!

Except no. Again, your theory that Marek's best feats must be disregarded because of the title of the game is hilarious and retarded at best. You cannot say that the title being "The Force Unleashed" means he's exaggerated, it merely means that he is a very powerful force user.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cutscenes are gameplay - especially those in TFU in which you even sometimes have to interact with them via slamming buttons on your controller. 😬

Keep denying though 😉

Those are called live action sequences IIRC, not cutscenes.

https://youtu.be/ki16YJPZ1GQ?t=3m46s

That is a cutscene ^^

Edit: And cutscenes aren't gameplay, that's retarded.

Originally posted by Selenial
Those are called live action sequences IIRC, not cutscenes.

https://youtu.be/ki16YJPZ1GQ?t=3m46s

That is a cutscene ^^

Pretty sure QTE is the term you're looking for. Never heard those sequences described as 'live action sequences', provided we're referring to the moments in game when Galen 'finishes' his opponents.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Pretty sure QTE is the term you're looking for. Never heard those sequences described as 'live action sequences', provided we're referring to the moments in game when Galen 'finishes' his opponents.

Yep, Quick Time Event.

Mah bad. Entirely confused there.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yep, Quick Time Event.

Mah bad. Entirely confused there.

No worries. 👆

Originally posted by Selenial
So you're thinking of The Force Unleashed 2, which uses an entirely different character with entirely different power levels?

Not that said feat is better than Sidious or Caedus like you tried to say it was.

No, actually. But that's besides the point really. By your logic, Galen matched Vader in that game. Since that game is an exaggeration, Vader must be weaker than the game indicated him to be. So Vader's brought down in the pecking order because of an appearance in a game where everyone's exaggerated 👆

He totally got beat by a Force User that's really really exaggerated and not powerful, so Vader must be so shit!

Except no. Again, your theory that Marek's best feats must be disregarded because of the title of the game is hilarious and retarded at best. You cannot say that the title being "The Force Unleashed" means he's exaggerated, it merely means that he is a very powerful force user.

Well he is literally a clone so whatever and his power level is basically the same, established quite clearly in the two Vader fights. Marek has tons of incrediballs feats in the first book like blasting thousands of droids hard enough to create an artificial hurricane that stretched over the horizon, powering a capital ship with lightning, destroying the Skyhook (that reached into orbit) with TK, one-shotting an AT-AT with lightning + killing it's crew, buckling the star destroyers hull, casually considering obliterating the Jedi Temple replica with one force push and other thing's I'm sure I'm forgetting. Dude still struggles with the likes of Kota, Paratus, Shaak Ti and a random Shadow Guard and tbh Vader has nothing approaching that crap.

Debatable, but irrelevant.

Absurd troll logic. Vader's level is established in numerous other works. Marek should be brought down to (slightly above) his level in those. It's the logical thing.

Considering the only thing I wanted to do was point out the absurdity of claiming a game that's called The Force Unleashed isn't about the Force being unleashed and that's the sole thing I interjected to do, I don't particularly care what you think about my "argument".

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he is literally a clone so whatever and his power level is basically the same, established quite clearly in the two Vader fights. Marek has tons of incrediballs feats in the first book like blasting thousands of droids hard enough to create an artificial hurricane that stretched over the horizon, powering a capital ship with lightning, destroying the Skyhook (that reached into orbit) with TK, one-shotting an AT-AT with lightning + killing it's crew, buckling the star destroyers hull, casually considering obliterating the Jedi Temple replica with one force push and other thing's I'm sure I'm forgetting. Dude still struggles with the likes of Kota, Paratus, Shaak Ti and a random Shadow Guard and tbh Vader has nothing approaching that crap.

I'm not really interested in what ever little spat is going on between you and Sel, but this caught my eye. Specifically the last sentence.

I feel like there's an easy way to explain that, but I'll pose a question: Why do you think that is? Again, @ the last sentence.

Because he's not actually as powerful as he's made out to be. He is certainly one of the strongest Force Users ever, but only in the same vein as Vader, Malgus, Revan etc. And as a duelist he is again, slightly above pre-ANH Vader's level.

With his feats he could casually throttle Dooku and Maul. More logically he'd struggle mightily against them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he is literally a clone so whatever and his power level is basically the same, established quite clearly in the two Vader fights. Marek has tons of incrediballs feats in the first book like blasting thousands of droids hard enough to create an artificial hurricane that stretched over the horizon, powering a capital ship with lightning, destroying the Skyhook (that reached into orbit) with TK, one-shotting an AT-AT with lightning + killing it's crew, buckling the star destroyers hull, casually considering obliterating the Jedi Temple replica with one force push and other thing's I'm sure I'm forgetting. Dude still struggles with the likes of Kota, Paratus, Shaak Ti and a random Shadow Guard and tbh Vader has nothing approaching that crap.

Debatable, but irrelevant.

Absurd troll logic. Vader's level is established in numerous other works. Marek should be brought down to (slightly above) his level in those. It's the logical thing.

Considering the only thing I wanted to do was point out the absurdity of claiming a game that's called The Force Unleashed isn't about the Force being unleashed and that's the sole thing I interjected to do, I don't particularly care what you think about my "argument".

To address your first part, Marek is raw power without control. He also only "struggled" with Paratus' speed thanks to his legs, he destroyed him easily with the Force. Either way, Marek's supposed struggling with them were due to how unrefined his force attacks were, as he himself notes numerous times. In a raw power sense he should be beyond Vader, but he is not because he is not refined.

I'm using "troll" logic to show you how incorrect your argument is. Not to mention the idea that Galen beating Vader in combat (with effort) means he's actually on Vader's level as a Force User. I mean he is, but not because their duel was close.

I never argued that it wasn't about the Force being unleashed, merely that the way they showed the Force being Unleashed was by making a powerful character and making him fight powerful characters. All I'm saying is that making a character be intensely strong for the purpose of making a strong character, isn't grounds for it being disregarded. If you get my drift.

Vitiate is made as strong as he is to give the illusion to protagonists can't do anything to stop him. He's hyped for the sole purpose of hyping him, it's called story telling. We don't dismiss all his feats entirely simply because he's powerful, now do we.

If every other character in that game was far beyond what they'd previously shown then I'd understand, but they are not, so I do not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he's not actually as powerful as he's made out to be. He is certainly one of the strongest Force Users ever, but only in the same vein as Vader, Malgus, Revan etc. And as a duelist he is again, slightly above pre-ANH Vader's level.

With his feats he could casually throttle Dooku and Maul. More logically he'd struggle mightily against them.

Hmm... interesting. Fair enough.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because I actually respect you I'll reply at some time at which I am not at work.

💃

I was too enthralled by the other debate that ensued on this thread to interrupt, but seeing as that debate has apparently ended, and seeing as I wasn't scheduled to work today, I'll respond to Sel at some point today.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Hmm... interesting. Fair enough.

How's Neph's argument from belief, a fallacy, fair enough? :hmm

****, the Force Unleashed doesn't even have feats in it I'd consider top ten material in raw energy a Force user can generate

They're impressive, but not the most outlandish in the franchise :lmao

You're mistaking my attitude for agreement, lol.

Now THAT is fair enough :maybe

Your niceties sicken me

Awesome~