Originally posted by quanchi112
Excuses. Windu bested Sheev while Yoda failed. Dooku loses just like he did to Anakin.
In your opinion he bested him. Until there is an official answer its your opinion. You fail to prove how maul wins. Dooku is a better duelist but if by some fluke maul gained any sort of advantage Dooku would immediantly resort to his force powers and would take maul down. This is how the totem pole for the duelist goes.
Yoda>/=Sidious>Anakin>Dooku>/=Windu>Obi wan>/=Darth maul
Originally posted by quanchi112
The fight was over quickly and decisively as soon as Anakin got angry. He raped him.
Yeah and Dooku stomped Kenobi and put Anakin on his ass pretty quickly as well 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku is better with a saber but not quicker than Kenobi.
Then why was he landing Force attacks on Kenobi when he was the one outnumbered?
No attempt from Kenobi to even try and block it. Why? Because he wasn't quick enough.
He was faster than Skywalker as well when he slam kicked him.
And showed superior skill and speed to both of them here as well From0:30 with particular not of 0:53-1:00 and 1:10-1:25:
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul and Anakin have more powerful strikes than Kenobi and his defensive style.
So does Opress, but that didn't help him here:
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Kenobi fought off and blocked Maul and Opress's strikes simultaneously @3:34 and 4:35:
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In any case, Dooku is more skilled, faster and more powerful in the force, as clearly proven in his 3/3 stomps against Obi-Wan. It's good Maul is stronger, because he will need at least 1 advantage for it to even be a fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi fled with Ventress saying they were outmatched.
Yeah outmatched by Maul and Opress combined, and after they tortured Obi-Wan before hand LOL.
Not that it matters because Dooku has stomped both Obi-Wan and Ventress 1 v 1, and given his fights against Obi-Wan/Anakin, would clearly also outmatch Kenobi and Ventress together. Difference is Dooku doesn't need help.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul force pushed him away on Hondo's terrain,
You mean after Obi-Wan fought off both Maul and Opress together, cutting up Opress in front of Maul 👆
Originally posted by quanchi112
and the third time Kenobi passed out.
What? You mean after he just crash landed LOL
You're arguments are as desperate as ever.
Maul has failed 3/3 times to beat Kenobi in a Saber duel since his revival, even with help!
Dooku has stomped Kenobi 3/3 times since then when it was actually Kenobi who had help.
Kenobi's the only common frame of reference we have between the 2. And that frame doesn't look to good for Maul at all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul owns him.
LOL You just make baseless claims with no evidence/feats to back it up.
I've clearly proven how Dooku is a level above Maul.
Originally posted by Darth ThorDooku didn't stomp Kenobi throughout the clone wars series easily. Anakin killed him. 😂
Yeah and Dooku stomped Kenobi and put Anakin on his ass pretty quickly as well 😬Then why was he landing Force attacks on Kenobi when he was the one outnumbered?
No attempt from Kenobi to even try and block it. Why? Because he wasn't quick enough.
He was faster than Skywalker as well when he slam kicked him.
And showed superior skill and speed to both of them here as well From0:30 with particular not of 0:53-1:00 and 1:10-1:25:
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So does Opress, but that didn't help him here:
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Kenobi fought off and blocked Maul and Opress's strikes simultaneously @3:34 and 4:35:
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In any case, Dooku is more skilled, faster and more powerful in the force, as clearly proven in his 3/3 stomps against Obi-Wan. It's good Maul is stronger, because he will need at least 1 advantage for it to even be a fight.
Yeah outmatched by Maul and Opress combined, and after they tortured Obi-Wan before hand LOL.
Not that it matters because Dooku has stomped both Obi-Wan and Ventress 1 v 1, and given his fights against Obi-Wan/Anakin, would clearly also outmatch Kenobi and Ventress together. Difference is Dooku doesn't need help.
You mean after Obi-Wan fought off both Maul and Opress together, cutting up Opress in front of Maul 👆
What? You mean after he just crash landed LOL
You're arguments are as desperate as ever.
Maul has failed 3/3 times to beat Kenobi in a Saber duel since his revival, even with help!
Dooku has stomped Kenobi 3/3 times since then when it was actually Kenobi who had help.
Kenobi's the only common frame of reference we have between the 2. And that frame doesn't look to good for Maul at all.
LOL You just make baseless claims with no evidence/feats to back it up.
I've clearly proven how Dooku is a level above Maul.
Better use of his attacks not quicker. Kenobi fell victim to him because he wasn't ready just like he wasn't ready for the force push from Maul.
He didn't defeat Anakin so it doesn't matter as the end result was very decisive for Anakin as soon as he got angry.
Opress lacked Maul's skill and was all power. Maul also easily beat Opress.
He still lost when he was force pushed. Maul fought off Kenobi and Qui at the same time as well.
Maul is also greater than Kenobi and uses a completely different style. Your abc logic fails.
Ventress was a match for Opress so Kenobi couldn't handle Maul. He was in fine shape. Acting as if he was hurt or worm done is a lie.
Abc logic. Anakin killed him one on one. Kenobi beat Anakin, here's come abc logic up your ass.
Maul won. Maul defeated Qui after taking on Kenobi and Qui.
Khan crash landed and he sprinted throughout a city as well. He didn't pass out like some pussy. Maul had him bested every time he's faced him. Kenobi fleeing is a loss. Maul disarming him and taunting him is a skill win. Force pushing him away is a win. Passing out is another win.
Maul isn't Kenobi the guy who beat Dooku's killer.
Maul is quicker and stronger same as Anakin, offensive fighter style wins.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Lucas said Windu won. Game over.
In your opinion he bested him. Until there is an official answer its your opinion. You fail to prove how maul wins. Dooku is a better duelist but if by some fluke maul gained any sort of advantage Dooku would immediantly resort to his force powers and would take maul down. This is how the totem pole for the duelist goes.Yoda>/=Sidious>Anakin>Dooku>/=Windu>Obi wan>/=Darth maul
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku didn't stomp Kenobi throughout the clone wars series easily. Anakin killed him. 😂Better use of his attacks not quicker. Kenobi fell victim to him because he wasn't ready just like he wasn't ready for the force push from Maul.
He didn't defeat Anakin so it doesn't matter as the end result was very decisive for Anakin as soon as he got angry.
Opress lacked Maul's skill and was all power. Maul also easily beat Opress.
He still lost when he was force pushed. Maul fought off Kenobi and Qui at the same time as well.
Maul is also greater than Kenobi and uses a completely different style. Your abc logic fails.
Ventress was a match for Opress so Kenobi couldn't handle Maul. He was in fine shape. Acting as if he was hurt or worm done is a lie.
Abc logic. Anakin killed him one on one. Kenobi beat Anakin, here's come abc logic up your ass.
Maul won. Maul defeated Qui after taking on Kenobi and Qui.
Khan crash landed and he sprinted throughout a city as well. He didn't pass out like some pussy. Maul had him bested every time he's faced him. Kenobi fleeing is a loss. Maul disarming him and taunting him is a skill win. Force pushing him away is a win. Passing out is another win.
Maul isn't Kenobi the guy who beat Dooku's killer.
Maul is quicker and stronger same as Anakin, offensive fighter style wins.
Before I get through all the above, which is designed to distract the conversation from the main point, tell me what Maul has done that puts him on Dooku's level.
Dooku has fought off Yoda and stomped Kenobi 3/3 times. He's also stomped Ventress 1 v 1.
What has Maul done which even compares?
Really I will tell you all of mauls accomplishments with the blade
Held off the combined might of Qui gin jinn and Obi wan and then preceded to defeat Qui gon jinn.
Stalemated Obi wan kenobi
Defeated Savage oppress
Held off the combined might of Mace Windu and Ayala secura for a brief period of time.
Able to go up against sidious and not die instantly.
Originally posted by Darth ThorTook on Windu, Sheev, and his aggressive style is a problem for Dooku.
Before I get through all the above, which is designed to distract the conversation from the main point, tell me what Maul has done that puts him on Dooku's level.Dooku has fought off Yoda and stomped Kenobi 3/3 times. He's also stomped Ventress 1 v 1.
What has Maul done which even compares?
Dooku ran away from Yoda. Yoda is overrated. Dooku should stomp Ventress.
Maul has always owned Kenobi and hasn't been killed easily by Anakin either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He said Windu overcame him which means he did so on his own thus ending the debate. You're a fanboy.
If it ended the debate than there wouldn't still be this large debate. Also if there was he would no doubt have gone and clarified if that's what he meant or real leased an answer. He wants to keep it secret. So it's up for debate. You're one to talk. You're one of the biggest fanboys I've ever met.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Took on Windu, Sheev,
LOL Sheev stomped him.
Even if we just take the final fight, Sheev disarmed Maul in 20seconds. Dooku fought Yoda for 30 seconds without being disarmed.
Maul didn't do anything to Windu. Just showed he can fight him without immediately dying. Unlike Sheev who can Own Maul any second he wants.
Originally posted by quanchi112
and his aggressive style is a problem for Dooku.
Who says? Stop trying to derail again. I've asked you what Maul has done that compares to Dooku's feats. I didn't ask your opinion on aggressive vs passive styles.
Dooku ran away from Yoda. Yoda is overrated. Dooku should stomp Ventress.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul has always owned Kenobi
He's not owned him even once in TCW.
Originally posted by quanchi112
and hasn't been killed easily by Anakin either.
Maul's never fought Anakin. Again stop derailing.
Or I'm going to assume you're derailing because you outright know Maul's done nothing to suggest he's on Dooku's level. Let alone above Dooku Lol.
So I've challenged you to give me feats of Maul that makes him the Equal of Dooku, and you've failed. So now I will tackle all of your derailing below:
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku didn't stomp Kenobi throughout the clone wars series easily.
@1:00 and @ 1:18-
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Then of course there's AOTC (the beginning of TCW) and ROTS (the end of TCW).
Any more lies?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin killed him. 😂
Which has nothing to do with Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Better use of his attacks not quicker. Kenobi fell victim to him because he wasn't ready just like he wasn't ready for the force push from Maul.
He fell to Maul's force push after fighting off both brothers for quite some time. He was also running to Maul at the time. If you punch someone whose running fast at you they'll fall back hard.
Against Dooku however Kenobi has no such excuse. Not only did he defeat him with the 2ND force attack in the same fight, but Dooku was the one out numbered.
Dooku was simply faster, as clearly shown in the video above.
So where you bring speculation, I bring fact. Where you bring unsubstantiated nonsense I bring Common Sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't defeat Anakin so it doesn't matter as the end result was very decisive for Anakin as soon as he got angry.
Again this has nothing to do with Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Opress lacked Maul's skill and was all power. Maul also easily beat Opress.
Exactly it takes more than just Power to put Dooku down. Considering Maul's as skilled as Kenobi, but maybe just slightly more Powerful, he's not got what it takes to defeat Dooku.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He still lost when he was force pushed.
We'll never know because Maul ran away.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul fought off Kenobi and Qui at the same time as well.
TCW Maul+Opress are a much more Powerful duo to fight off than TPM Kenobi and Qui-Gon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul is also greater than Kenobi and uses a completely different style. Your abc logic fails.
How is Maul greater than Kenobi? He's not been able beat him.
If there was only a small difference in how Dooku and Maul handled Kenobi, then you'd have a point. But there is a HUGE and CONSISTENT difference, so that's the best proof we have.
Much better than your ABC Logic which goes around in a massive circle- Maul matched Kenobi who matched Anakin who beat Dooku. Completely ignoring that Dooku in fact Stomped Kenobi 3/3 times throughout TCW.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ventress was a match for Opress so Kenobi couldn't handle Maul.
Watch the fight more carefully. Kenobi was beating Maul until he took a time out to help Ventress. Then Maul angered him, which made him lose balance which is why he was outmatched by that point.
And Opress was beating Ventress as well. He disarmed her once, then Kenobi helped her, then she agreed with Kenobi that they were outmatched.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was in fine shape. Acting as if he was hurt or worm done is a lie.
LOL So I'm lying that he was slapped around and knocked unconcious right before the fight?
You're better argument would be that Jedi recover quickly enough for that not to make much difference, or that Maul was in worse shape having not fought in 10+years.
But instead you just deny the facts. You're should quit this, and let someone who knows his stuff take over.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul is quicker and stronger same as Anakin, offensive fighter style wins.
And when did you decide Maul is quicker and stronger than Anakin? LOL Actually Show me that instead of just talking out of your ass.
I've already proved Dooku doesn't just fail every time he faces an Offensive fighter.
He stomped Opress (who has displayed much more strength than Maul). And he's fought off Yoda, whose also an offensive fighter, but 10 times more Powerful than Maul.
Like I said try less baseless speculation and more facts.
I suggest you find a Maul fan who knows his stuff to take your place here. Because you're just talking outta your ass and losing badly as a result.
There is a case to be made here, (although best case is Maul would give Dooku hell every time but only actually win 2-3/10) but you're not the guy to do it. Because going by our debate here, Dooku stomps 10/10 LOL
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2The reason there is still a debate is because of fanboys like yourself who refuse to accept reality.
If it ended the debate than there wouldn't still be this large debate. Also if there was he would no doubt have gone and clarified if that's what he meant or real leased an answer. He wants to keep it secret. So it's up for debate. You're one to talk. You're one of the biggest fanboys I've ever met.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, he didn't. He prevailed but Maul definitely pressed him. Maul is lesser than Sheev but a rival nonetheless as per Sheev's own words.
LOL Sheev stomped him.Even if we just take the final fight, Sheev disarmed Maul in 20seconds. Dooku fought Yoda for 30 seconds without being disarmed.
Maul didn't do anything to Windu. Just showed he can fight him without immediately dying. Unlike Sheev who can Own Maul any second he wants.
Who says? Stop trying to derail again. I've asked you what Maul has done that compares to Dooku's feats. I didn't ask your opinion on aggressive vs passive styles.
Dooku ran away from Yoda. Yoda is overrated. Dooku should stomp Ventress.
He's not owned him even once in TCW.
Maul's never fought Anakin. Again stop derailing.
Or I'm going to assume you're derailing because you outright know Maul's done nothing to suggest he's on Dooku's level. Let alone above Dooku Lol.
Sheev beat Yoda. Who cares ? ANAKIN killed Dooku Mr. Abc logic. Windy bested Sheev. Dooku couldn't do that shit. Sheev is familiar with him as his former master. 🙂
I already answered you. Dooku isn't a match for Yoda. Yoda lost to Sheev just like Maul. Maul has always been better than Kenobi and uses the same aggressive style which ANAKIN used that defeated Dooku. Take it or leave it.
Yes, he has.
Kenobi beat ANAKIN. Let's abc logic our way through this. You haven't proven they are on different levels. Sheev called him a rival. 💃
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou have not proven Dooku is on another level. 😂
So I've challenged you to give me feats of Maul that makes him the Equal of Dooku, and you've failed. So now I will tackle all of your derailing below:@1:00 and @ 1:18-
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Then of course there's AOTC (the beginning of TCW) and ROTS (the end of TCW).
Any more lies?
Which has nothing to do with Maul.
He fell to Maul's force push after fighting off both brothers for quite some time. He was also running to Maul at the time. If you punch someone whose running fast at you they'll fall back hard.
Against Dooku however Kenobi has no such excuse. Not only did he defeat him with the 2ND force attack in the same fight, but Dooku was the one out numbered.
Dooku was simply faster, as clearly shown in the video above.
So where you bring speculation, I bring fact. Where you bring unsubstantiated nonsense I bring Common Sense.
Again this has nothing to do with Maul.
Exactly it takes more than just Power to put Dooku down. Considering Maul's as skilled as Kenobi, but maybe just slightly more Powerful, he's not got what it takes to defeat Dooku.
We'll never know because Maul ran away.
TCW Maul+Opress are a much more Powerful duo to fight off than TPM Kenobi and Qui-Gon.
How is Maul greater than Kenobi? He's not been able beat him.
If there was only a small difference in how Dooku and Maul handled Kenobi, then you'd have a point. But there is a HUGE and CONSISTENT difference, so that's the best proof we have.
Much better than your ABC Logic which goes around in a massive circle- Maul matched Kenobi who matched Anakin who beat Dooku. Completely ignoring that Dooku in fact Stomped Kenobi 3/3 times throughout TCW.
Watch the fight more carefully. Kenobi was beating Maul until he took a time out to help Ventress. Then Maul angered him, which made him lose balance which is why he was outmatched by that point.
And Opress was beating Ventress as well. He disarmed her once, then Kenobi helped her, then she agreed with Kenobi that they were outmatched.
LOL So I'm lying that he was slapped around and knocked unconcious right before the fight?
You're better argument would be that Jedi recover quickly enough for that not to make much difference, or that Maul was in worse shape having not fought in 10+years.
But instead you just deny the facts. You're should quit this, and let someone who knows his stuff take over.
And when did you decide Maul is quicker and stronger than Anakin? LOL Actually Show me that instead of just talking out of your ass.
I've already proved Dooku doesn't just fail every time he faces an Offensive fighter.
He stomped Opress (who has displayed much more strength than Maul). And he's fought off Yoda, whose also an offensive fighter, but 10 times more Powerful than Maul.
Like I said try less baseless speculation and more facts.
I suggest you find a Maul fan who knows his stuff to take your place here. Because you're just talking outta your ass and losing badly as a result.
There is a case to be made here, (although best case is Maul would give Dooku hell every time but only actually win 2-3/10) but you're not the guy to do it. Because going by our debate here, Dooku stomps 10/10 LOL
That isn't stomping. Dooku is better than Kenobi but so is Maul. It is abc logic either way since their styles are all so different.
Anakin uses an aggressive style with powerful strikes similar to Maul.
I am referring to the phantom menace force push. It's timing, kiddo.
I never said Kenobi is a match for Dooku. No, he is more skilled not faster. You don't possess common sense so please refrain from lying.
Continue to run from my points.
Maul doesn't just possess power he possesses skill as well. I didn't say opress can I said maul who uses both quickness, skill, and power. He was out numbered.
Maul managed and was fine. Kenobi is weaker than Maul.
He defeated him in phantom menace and taunted him. That's what got him almost killed. He had him beaten skill wise. I already listed the other time. Their styles are different that it doesn't matter.
No, maul bested him after he got him angrier. Kenobi was sloppier after antagonized. Maul was winning on his own against Kenobi. Watch the fight.
While fighting he wasn't laboring or exhausted. Maul never lost skill wise to Kenobi. He's spared his life.
I said they are both quicker and stronger than Dooku. Try understanding what my sentence means. Not ANAKIN.
Opress was stomped by Maul as well as lacks Maul's skill. You try to distort my argument throughout your post and stick to abc logic which isn't relevant to Dooku or Maul.
Maul is more powerful, younger, and uses a more aggressive style one in which Anakin used successfully to kill Dooku.