SSJ4 Gogeta vs SSJ God Vegetto

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Right. 2x as much as SSJ3 Goku who is 400x Base Goku. 👆

Base RoF Goku being at least 2-3x stronger than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, and Majin Buu is still ludicrously powerful.

That said, when GT Goku transformed into a SSJ, his PL would have increased by 50x. When he transformed into SSJ2, his PL would have increased by an additional 2x. When he transformed into SSJ3, his PL would have increased by an additional 4x.

As for SSJ4: we also know that Super Baby Vegeta 2(who was >> SSJ3 GT Goku) gained a 10x power increase when he became a Golden Oozaru. This is important because n00b SSJ4 Goku was on par with Golden Oozaru Baby. Subsequently, this means SSJ4 was more than 10x> SSJ3.

In a nutshell:
n00b SSJ4 Goku [10x>] SSJ3 GT Goku [4x>] SSJ2 GT Goku [2x>] SSJ GT Goku [50x>] base GT Goku [~] base Rildo [>] Majin Boo [~] SSJ3 Z Goku [400x>] base Z Goku.

OR we can simplify it by saying that n00b SSJ4 Goku was at least 4,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. 🙂

Stupid as it sounds, that is the type of absurd power we're dealing with in GT.

Originally posted by Galan007
Base GT Goku~base Rildo, who was confirmed to be "even more powerful than Majin Boo." This means base GT Goku ~/> SSJ3 Z Goku.

👆 Which is still miles weaker than base BoG Goku, who would stomp Majin Buu.

That said, when GT Goku transformed into a SSJ, his PL would have increased by 50x. When he transformed into SSJ2, his PL would have increased by an additional 2x. When he transformed into SSJ3, his PL would have increased by an additional 4x.

[QUOTE]As for SSJ4: we also know that Super Baby Vegeta 2(who was >> SSJ3 GT Goku) gained a 10x power increase when he became a Golden Oozaru. This is important because n00b SSJ4 Goku was on par with Golden Oozaru Baby. Subsequently, this means SSJ4 was more than 10x> SSJ3.

OR we can simplify it by saying that n00b SSJ4 Goku was at least 4,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

Stupid as it sounds, that is the type of absurd power we're dealing with in GT.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I'm aware of that.

And if you take Base!RoF Goku who, if we're using Majin Buu as comparison, completely blows Base!GT Goku out of the water... Then have him transform into a SSJGSSJ, which is stronger than SSJG, which in turn is far and beyond standard SSJ... Then have him fuse with the equally powerful SSJGSSJ Vegeta into a hypothetical SSJGSSJ Gogeta, which supposedly makes him dozens of times stronger... I don't see why it's ludicrouse to assert that he might have a shot at competing with n00b SSJ4 Goku. 👆

Notice that you said he would be "dozens of times stronger". SSJ4 Goku was THOUSANDS of times stronger. Big difference

And shit like this is why I'm glad they don't care about PLs anymore.

If it means anything to try and figure out SSG form, Goku said him and Vegeta fusing again wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus.

srug

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Originally posted by juggerman
Notice that you said he would be "dozens of times stronger". SSJ4 Goku was THOUSANDS of times stronger. Big difference

...Dozens of times stronger than SSJGSSJ Goku, who very well could be hundreds of times stronger than Majin Buu or Z Goku lol, did you not read?

SSJG Vegetto? The multipliers would be insane. You have to take into account which version of Goku and Vegeta you're using. RoF Goku and Vegeta are exponentially stronger than their Buu saga counterparts. I bet a Potara fusion at SSJG level in their current PLs would equal, or even surpass, SSJ4 Gogeta.

SSJ4 Gogeta is simply SSJ4 Goku PL + SSJ4 Vegeta PL. SSJG Vegetto would be SSJG Goku PL x SSJG Vegeta PL + Rival boost.

Vegetto omega stomps! No real challenge here.

Can I get a quote that points to Base ROF Goku being beyond EOZ SSJ3 Goku please?

I can see SSJG Goku being greater than SSJ3 Goku, but base? I call that bull until I see the evidence.

In the film SSJ3 Goku was stomped by Beerus. Later in the film base Goku was trading blows with Beerus.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...Dozens of times stronger than SSJGSSJ Goku, who very well could be hundreds of times stronger than Majin Buu or Z Goku lol, did you not read?

That "hundreds of times stronger" was a wild ass guess on your part. The only "fact" you have is that fusion would make them MAYBE "dozens" of times stronger. Still nowhere near approaching SSJ4

Originally posted by bbrem123
In the film SSJ3 Goku was stomped by Beerus. Later in the film base Goku was trading blows with Beerus.

Which could be explained by Goku simply doubling his power. That's all Gohan needed to be far and away superior to Cell mind you

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Can I get a quote that points to Base ROF Goku being beyond EOZ SSJ3 Goku please?

I can see SSJG Goku being greater than SSJ3 Goku, but base? I call that bull until I see the evidence.

Goku absorbed SSJG power and make it his own. He could actually put a decent fight against Bills after his SSJG form is out, and Bills said his power didn't decrease drastically after Goku reverted to base form.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Vegetto omega stomps! No real challenge here.

Nah

Originally posted by juggerman
hundreds is a wild ass guess on your part.

How is it a guess when we know how powerful the normal SSJ transformation is, and dually know that the SSJG and SSJGSSJ is beyond it, and that Base RoF Goku is already far and away superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majin Buu, and SSJ2 Vegeta?

The difference possibly capping 100x is hardly unreasonable.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can see SSJG Goku being greater than SSJ3 Goku, but base? I call that bull until I see the evidence.

So as of BoG, base Goku is now around SSJG-level.

Originally posted by juggerman
That "hundreds of times stronger" was a wild ass guess on your part. The only "fact" you have is that fusion would make them MAYBE "dozens" of times stronger. Still nowhere near approaching SSJ4

Even the difference between 1st form Freeza and Nail was 'only' 12.6x, and we saw what a laughably...retardedly....ridiculously one-sided shit-stomp that was. That said, I also think the 'hundreds of times' thing is a WAY overinflated estimate. /shrug

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How is it a guess when we know how powerful the normal SSJ transformation is, and dually know that the SSJG and SSJGSSJ is beyond it, and that Base RoF Goku is already far and away superior to SSJ3 Goku, Majin Buu, and SSJ2 Vegeta?

The difference possibly capping 100x is hardly unreasonable.

Beerus had to use 70% of his power to handle SSJG Goku the way he did. That means SSJG Goku was at least north of 50% of Beerus. Now as a SSGSS he was still inferior to Beerus meaning the SSGSS form is less of a power up than ANY SSJ form before it.

Think about it: If Goku was 50% of Beerus' power then a 50x boost would allow him to bolostomp Beerus. Hell even the 2x SSJ2 gives would put him on par with Beerus. So no bud, hundreds of times stronger is a pipe dream

BSSJG isn't really implied to be much(if any) stronger than SSJG was--and Toriyama stated that as of BoG, SSJG Goku was a 6 compared to Beerus' 10. Goku has simply mastered the Godly power now(via training with Whis), and no longer has a time limit--he's still weaker than Beerus individually, though. And since we know Goku's base form isn't that much weaker than SSJG was, logic dictates that BSSJG gleans less than a 2x boost over Goku's base.

Just because Goku likened BSSJG to a SSJ in order to make it easier for Freeza to comprehend the transformation itself, doesn't mean we're dealing with the same multiplier, lol. These are two completely different transformations, after all.

Originally posted by juggerman
Beerus had to use 70% of his power to handle SSJG Goku the way he did. That means SSJG Goku was at least north of 50% of Beerus.

👆 It was 60%, more or less.

Now as a SSGSS he was still inferior to Beerus meaning the SSGSS form is less of a power up than ANY SSJ form before it.

That's because it's not an evolution from SSJG, it's entirely different. Either way, SSJG itself was beyond normal SSJ, so obviously SSJGSSJ is well above a 50x amp.

Think about it: If Goku was 50% of Beerus' power then a 50x boost would allow him to bolostomp Beerus.

Except Goku isn't even 50% of Beerus as a Super Saiyan in BoG. 😬

Since we know that Goku's base form isn't that much weaker than SSJG was, logic dictates that BSSJG gleans less than a 2x boost over Goku's base.

How do you figure Goku's base isn't much weaker than SSJG? SSJG is demonstrably far stronger than Super Saiyan judging from how the latter couldn't hope to stop Beerus's earth-buster but the former could. SSJG>>SSJ>>>Base.

Also, in RoF Goku is shocked at how massive of a boost Freiza's final transformation was, and outwardly admits his surprise. Now you're trying to tell me it was the lowest multiplier of all Frieza's transformations?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
👆 It was 60%, more or less.

I left room for error but I agree with you

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's because it's not an evolution from SSJG, it's entirely different. Either way, SSJG itself was beyond normal SSJ, so obviously SSJGSSJ is well above a 50x amp.

I think this is where the confusion is coming from. Goku was able to retain the SSJG power even after he lost the form due to time limit. As we can see he still fought evenly with Beerus even after he went back to base. Beerus even stated he didn't lose much power. That means Goku at base is now around SSJG level. Him transforming from that level to SSJGSSJ is lees of a boost than he received when he went SSJ originally(Before SSJG was introduced)

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except Goku isn't even 50% of Beerus as a Super Saiyan in BoG. 😬

But Goku as a SSJG was. That's the point. So going from SSJG to SSJGSSJ is less than a 2x boost

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How do you figure Goku's base isn't much weaker than SSJG? SSJG is demonstrably far stronger than Super Saiyan judging from how the latter couldn't hope to stop Beerus's earth-buster but the former could. SSJG>>SSJ>>>Base.

Also, in RoF Goku is shocked at how massive of a boost Freiza's final transformation was, and outwardly admits his surprise. Now you're trying to tell me it was the lowest multiplier of all Frieza's transformations?

Because it isn't now. After he became a SSJG he retained that power so he has it now even in base form. I think you are getting confused because you didn't realize Goku's base level increased so much