Who is the best in each of the seven styles?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It also has to do with the location they were in as well as Sidious wasn't able to use his force speed as well as it were in more of an open place such as when he fought maul and opress or where yoda fought Dooku. Somewhere with open space that couldnt hamper Sidious movements.

Sidious retreated from an environment like that. The point still stands that Sidious chose the battlefield and still ended up disarmed. And the argument that Sidious had some sort of disadvantage in the pod is...pretty weak.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sidious retreated from an environment like that. The point still stands that Sidious chose the battlefield and still ended up disarmed. And the argument that Sidious had some sort of disadvantage in the pod is...pretty weak.

I don't see how it's weak when the argument is supported by proof that shows that in a normal battle Sidious would have more room to use his force augmentation than in a better way. Laos he retreated to the pod well that could mean a number of things on why he retreated. One and the most likely reason is a better use of force powers due to all the pods. Being in his office he wouldn't have much to throw around while in the senate room he has hundreds of pods to throw around and can get creative with the battle ground. So with that I retain the notion that Sidious and yoda are equals in lightsabers and the force.

Chii SHo.

Originally posted by Sinious

I think Sidious didn't pursue his advantage because he would lose the advantageous position he was in if he jumped down and kept on fighting.

I mean that would be an effective stalemate. If neither thinks it's wise to pursue the fight further, and if both have lost their Sabers and both expended a lot of energy in the fight.

But like I keep saying in that scenario a Stalemate was a Victory for Sidious because a stalemate means he gets to remain Emperor.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I don't see how it's weak when the argument is supported by proof that shows that in a normal battle Sidious would have more room to use his force augmentation than in a better way. Laos he retreated to the pod well that could mean a number of things on why he retreated. One and the most likely reason is a better use of force powers due to all the pods. Being in his office he wouldn't have much to throw around while in the senate room he has hundreds of pods to throw around and can get creative with the battle ground.

Fact remains they fought in both environments. First on ground level in a more closed environment. Then on the Senate Pod in a more open Environment. So it's kind of stretching saying Sidious was disadvantaged in Sabers, when they fought on different levels, and Sidious chose the second environment himself.

Also all this "Sidious was cramped on the Pod," stuff.. First, if it was such a big disadvantage he wouldn't have gone there. Second, what was stopping him leaping from Pod to Pod if he was getting restricted?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So with that I retain the notion that Sidious and yoda are equals in lightsabers and the force.

Well our conclusions are the same anyway. At most there will be slight differences between them in either category, which explains the result.

Originally posted by Sinious
I would agree that this is relevant if Dooku the superior one could also defeat those 2 inferior beings.

Oh I forgot to address this.

You see 1+1 doesn't always equal 2 like that. Dooku would be a bigger challenge to Sidious than Maul+Opress because he's powerful enough to challenge Sidious, whilst neither Maul or Opress are.

Similarly Maul + Opress can defeat Dooku, because either one is powerful enough to challenge Dooku, so both of them combined would look pretty dim for the Count.

It you want the best one no matter what, just pick chii cho....

Kreia did answer thisquestion...

In the oplnion of a you tube blogger on vs battle between Yoda vs Mace Windu,
Yoda would in his opinion start off using what he has relying on for centuries. what works for him.

When this method failed him,Yoda wasn't able to adapt.
I agree with Palpatine moving the battle to his choosing.
Thus Maul did the same to Qui Gon Jin and Obi Wan.

Obi Wan did the same thing with Darth Vader.
Both men had the High ground.

Obi wan crippled Anakin.
Yoda lost the High Ground via absorbing Sidious's Force lightning which closely resembles the duel between Galen vs Palpatine that ended in a similar Force explosion.

Which Killed Galen(questionable if not debatable )
Yoda survives by barely hanging onto the pod with no energy or Force reserves left.
Thus falling,unbelievingly loosing the High Ground.

It would be foolish and stupid to leap down from the high ground (your advantage ) to pursue a fallen and defeated enemy who knew he failed and admitted defeat.
Thus choosing exile.

Sidious was also tired no energy or Force reserves left, knew he had won.
Instead of himself going after Yoda,he sent the Clones.

His office was no advantage for him against Mace which truly showed how effective Vaapad's
Saber style and Force immersion was. In close quarters. In cramped space.

Which IMHO surprised the dark lord himself.
Force lightning has its limits,too.
Palpatine was tired and injured after his first attempt.
Due to Vaapad's superconducting loop yet again.

With Anakin's timely intervention gave him enough time to replenish his Force reserves by feeding on Anakin's fear of loosing him and Pade'me.
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Which was also one of the key factors to Mace's amp,besides his inner darkness,the loss of his councilmen,Palpatine's fury and Anakin's fears.

An amp which can be duplicated again through an infinite amount of possibilities. The amp of that magnetude may not,but one similar not as powerful but powerful enough to be legendary among Vaapad's feats.
example,dark side nexus,a hostile hostage situation with either padawan, master,or close ally.friend.

whether its Dooku or whoever.With the same scenario as I mentioned in the above paragraph.
For the record Dooku can't conceal his Force use or dark side affinity from Vaapad.
Imo it's Mace's compassion for Dooku and Yoda,that will always imho lead to a stalemate.

Or Dooku retreating due to Vaapad's overwhelming strkes and adaptability.
If bridled anger,Vaapad maybe,why retreat from every fight to test Makashi's blade to blade superiority? hmm?

Sparring does not count,it's not a real fight.
I applaud Makashi's superiority,Dooku has my utmost respect as the true champion and Master of Makashi. An all out fight with a Master who created a style that you know little about by out dueling Sora Bulq does not give you that same advantage.

Bulq devolved back to Juyo imho. Vaapad Mastered him.
Don't get me wrong Juyo is just as powerful as Makashi if it was in the right hands of a true Juyo
Master who understood Makashi's strengths and weaknesses.

Improvisation,Adaptability,and understanding your enemy is the only way
at besting him and his chosen style.
Example; Miyamoto Musashi
Sun Tzu
Machiavelli
my personal favorites.
It is my honest belief that Mace will defeat himself (stalemate) against Dooku out of respect for Yoda's Master/Padawan relationship and his personal friendship with them.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean that would be an effective stalemate. If neither thinks it's wise to pursue the fight further, and if both have lost their Sabers and both expended a lot of energy in the fight.

But like I keep saying in that scenario a Stalemate was a Victory for Sidious because a stalemate means he gets to remain Emperor.

Well obviously it made Sidious rethink about being so cocky especially since he had so much to lose had he died there. And like you said, he already won since a stalemate was a victory for him so it was on Yoda to go back up and try again.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh I forgot to address this.

You see 1+1 doesn't always equal 2 like that. Dooku would be a bigger challenge to Sidious than Maul+Opress because he's powerful enough to challenge Sidious, whilst neither Maul or Opress are.

Similarly Maul + Opress can defeat Dooku, because either one is powerful enough to challenge Dooku, so both of them combined would look pretty dim for the Count.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well obviously it made Sidious rethink about being so cocky especially since he had so much to lose had he died there. And like you said, he already won since a stalemate was a victory for him so it was on Yoda to go back up and try again.

Not really. Sidious wanted Yoda dead as well, which is why he ordered his troops to keep looking for Yoda.

Sidious having more to lose by carrying on the fight, just shows he still wasn't confident of a victory, and in fact still thought he could lose.

But yeah, Sidious was certainly happier with a Stalemate than Yoda. But Ideally he wanted Yoda dead.

For Yoda, stalemate was really a loss.

For Sidious, stalemate was really a victory.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean that would be an effective stalemate. If neither thinks it's wise to pursue the fight further, and if both have lost their Sabers and both expended a lot of energy in the fight.

But like I keep saying in that scenario a Stalemate was a Victory for Sidious because a stalemate means he gets to remain Emperor.

Fact remains they fought in both environments. First on ground level in a more closed environment. Then on the Senate Pod in a more open Environment. So it's kind of stretching saying Sidious was disadvantaged in Sabers, when they fought on different levels, and Sidious chose the second environment himself.

Also all this "Sidious was cramped on the Pod," stuff.. First, if it was such a big disadvantage he wouldn't have gone there. Second, what was stopping him leaping from Pod to Pod if he was getting restricted?

Well our conclusions are the same anyway. At most there will be slight differences between them in either category, which explains the result.

He really could have chose that due to wanting to gain a force advantage. Also what stopped him form leaping from pod to pod Amy e the fact that Yoda had him cramped in a pod so really he couldn't go anywhere for that specific time frame.

Really I believe they are equals but if you had to twist my arm and hold a gun up to my head I would say sidious is the better force weilder while Yoda is the better lightsaber duelist each by this time not by much.

Originally posted by Stigma
For Yoda, stalemate was really a loss.

For Sidious, stalemate was really a victory.

Yep, which is why Yoda lost.

Sidious wasn't portrayed as a superior combatant in any way, apart from possibly as a strategist.