Are state teachers and school's necessary?
Or is it force indoctrination for whatever country you are in? In America, more and more kids are being homeschooled and those children developed and move through grades much faster then public and private schools.
Would you choose homeschool or mainstream public or private for your kids?
I like how they made Ned Flanders the homeschool dad, pretty accurate.
State schools are necessary, not everyone can be homeschooled, and a lot of parents are not fit to homeschool children anyways. I am in favour of private options as long as they have to adhere to certain minimum requirements. And while state schools may be in need of a lot of reform and increased funding, they are still a necessary part of societies staying stable.
The problem is that school isn't just about learning things from textbooks. It is about learning to socialize with other people who are not your parents.
I agree though that the current way we do things in schools needs to change. Sometimes these schools do not prepare kids enough for college. I can give you one example from myself: in high school I took 4 years of Spanish, I was actually a top student in the classes, always getting an A. I had the same Spanish teacher for every year in high school except my freshmen year, and this left me ill prepared for college.
Why? Because in my first year..was the only year we ever really went over vocabulary. In the following years we covered the more difficult aspects of the language, like learning how to change certain words to fit the tense in which you are speaking(present tense, past tense, etc.) and all that. So I learned all this difficult stuff, but I was never really taught what the words meant very much.
So I get to college and..the class is spoken in nothing but Spanish. We had a workbook that needed to be filled out and you did so by watching this spanish tv show they showed in class(which was obviously also in all spanish) and then you answered questions in the work book. Well, I could not understand 90% of what the teacher said, and likewise the same with the show. I was screwed, and I had taken 4 YEARS of the stuff when most people only take like 2. Then what can I dp? Ask if the teacher could please speak in English because my teacher was shitty?
But it is not just me..a lot of people I have talked to who did a lot of years of spanish say it has almost no practical use. Which is weird considering the percentage of people who speak Spanish in this country. So why do they say that, even though they know vocabulary? Because normally spanish people talk..kind of fast, and in such a way where they really can't even tell what is being said. They found themselves constantly asking people to speak very very slowly so they could understand.
Originally posted by krisblaze
One cannot emphasize enough the importance of secondary socialiation.The situation is pretty bad at a lot of schools but it has to be pretty terrible for home-school to be the better option.
Homeschoolers can be social awkward, but which is better, socially awkward but smart or just stupid?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
People are graduating who can't even read. Especially in the black communities, this is the current state of the public school system.
no, that is the current state of public schools in underclass areas. certainly needs fixing, but no need to exaggerate this into "the public school system has failed". it's just not true.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
People are graduating who can't even read. Especially in the black communities, this is the current state of the public school system.
How is homeschooling any way an answer to this? I am going to be charitable and assume that by 'black communities' you mean 'poor communities'- you honestly think such communities have the right circumstances, facilities and opportunities for homeschooling?
If your contention is that schools turn otherwise capable children into failures, then I very much doubt that is the case.
All homeschooling really does is take kids who would have done well at school anyway and teach them in a more isolated setting.
You're not making any sort of valid comparison though. Take your chart above- does it actually compare like for like at any point?
Homeschooling is the preserve of the middle class privileged set- like I say, the type of kids who do well at school in any case. Comparing the achievements of a relatively elite subsection against that of the entirety of society is a false comparison.
Originally posted by Surtur
Which is better..for who? Society or the individual person. Sure society benefits from smart people. But the individual does not benefit from being socially awkward.
If a kid grows up in a neighbor hood and his two neighbors are in public school but he is in homeschool. But this still play together after school, whats the difference really?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If a kid grows up in a neighbor hood and his two neighbors are in public school but he is in private school. But this still play together after school, whats the difference really?
Because merely just "playing together" isn't really socializing to the extent they need.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Homeschoolers can be social awkward, but which is better, socially awkward or stupid?
It also has much great consequences than simply being socially awkward.
If someone hasn't learned how to read by the time they graduate school then you might wonder about other factors than the quality of the school.
I also wonder if there are many parents who have the time and resources to educate their child while living in such a poor neighbourhood that the schools are so bad that they can't even teach their kid how to read by the time they graduate.
Originally posted by krisblaze
They're not mutually exclusive.It also has much great consequences than simply being socially awkward.
If someone hasn't learned how to read by the time they graduate school then you might wonder about other factors than the quality of the school.
I also wonder if there are many parents who have the time and resources to educate their child while living in such a poor neighbourhood that the schools are so bad that they can't even teach their kid how to read by the time they graduate.
Yes schooling should still exist at home even if the child's primary education is public, I agree, its up to the parents to cement learning.
What if the parents are just not around, or don't care?
Originally posted by Surtur
Because merely just "playing together" isn't really socializing to the extent they need.
Playtime fosters creativity and no rules socialization.
Where is if you in school, you are kind of steered a a direction.
Also homeschool isnt' the way it used to be, where you just sat at home. Now homeschoolers have co op's and have classes with other kids in specified locations set up by parents. So the idea that you are isolated to just your parents is a think of the past.