Originally posted by juggerman
At some point they will be close up. They kinda have to be since Smith has no long ranged attacks. Zod can easily cut thru him. Remember the scene where Faora and Nam had Kal pinned down and he blasted them with HV? I highly doubt Smith would be able to dodge that
Yes that's feasible. If Zod can grapple Smith. Smith has far better combat speed feats so even if they get in close, Smith will be all over Zod so I'm unsure if he can get a clear shot.
Also not sure Zod can use HV at the speed of thought. He seemed to need a bit of preparation before he could use it.
Ur right froth, Zod will just sit there a be hit and won't be able to react or use HV.
It's like you didn't even watch the movies. You just make shit up and pass it off as canon.
How about we recton all debates in the past and say "HV won't work, it hurts them."
😂
Funny you dig so low in shit to come to this point.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes that's feasible. If Zod can grapple Smith. Smith has far better combat speed feats so even if they get in close, Smith will be all over Zod so I'm unsure if he can get a clear shot.Also not sure Zod can use HV at the speed of thought. He seemed to need a bit of preparation before he could use it.
They will grapple. Correct me if I'm wrong but bullets could still hurt Neo after he became The One right? He made it a point to dodge them and/or stop them outright. That tells me that Zod's durability is above Neo and by extension Smith too since they were about even
Originally posted by FrothByte
You need to calm down TI. Are you interested in actually debating or do just want to throw a tantrum?If they don't really feel pain while using HV then why did Clark grimace in pain after using his HV to melt ice?
Your use of these words like, pain, hurt, grimace are used to show weakness that does not exist. Are you serious suggesting that Zod is now limited in using his HV based on your illogical opinion. You can't find shit to back up your claim.
I guess wolverine using his claws causes him pain and cyclops using his causes pain. I guess that limits their ability to use their powers/weapons.
Seriously I about had my fill with you and your bullshit.
Originally posted by juggerman
They will grapple. Correct me if I'm wrong but bullets could still hurt Neo after he became The One right? He made it a point to dodge them and/or stop them outright. That tells me that Zod's durability is above Neo and by extension Smith too since they were about even
Your correct, neo could still bleed as noticed by merilgivian. His body can still take damage and he is still based and tied to human flesh.
Originally posted by juggerman
They will grapple. Correct me if I'm wrong but bullets could still hurt Neo after he became The One right? He made it a point to dodge them and/or stop them outright. That tells me that Zod's durability is above Neo and by extension Smith too since they were about even
Oh I'm not denying that bullets will hurt Smith. To be honest I'm not sure, since we haven't seen Neo or Smith get shot in their ultimate forms. But yeah, because they make it a point to dodge or stop them then I'll assume it hurts them.
My problem with the HV thing is that both Kal and Zod were unable to easily use their HV. It took them time to prepare before they were able to shoot it. Granted it wasn't that long, but there was still a lag whenever they used it and they couldn't sling it around as easily as punches.
Add to that the fact that Smith even up close can move at tremendous speeds and that's why I think there's too much of a lag in using HV to be able to hit Smith properly.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Your use of these words like, pain, hurt, grimace are used to show weakness that does not exist. Are you serious suggesting that Zod is now limited in using his HV based on your illogical opinion. You can't find shit to back up your claim.I guess wolverine using his claws causes him pain and cyclops using his causes pain. I guess that limits their ability to use their powers/weapons.
Seriously I about had my fill with you and your bullshit.
You call what I say bullshit and I call what you say as tantrums. How bout we just agree not to reply to each other then.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh I'm not denying that bullets will hurt Smith. To be honest I'm not sure, since we haven't seen Neo or Smith get shot in their ultimate forms. But yeah, because they make it a point to dodge or stop them then I'll assume it hurts them.My problem with the HV thing is that both Kal and Zod were unable to easily use their HV. It took them time to prepare before they were able to shoot it. Granted it wasn't that long, but there was still a lag whenever they used it and they couldn't sling it around as easily as punches.
Add to that the fact that Smith even up close can move at tremendous speeds and that's why I think there's too much of a lag in using HV to be able to hit Smith properly.
The reason I asked is because it means Zod's durability is comfortably above Neo's and Smith's. Meaning that Smith would have to work harder to hurt Zod than Neo. It also means Zod would have more opportunity to grapple Smith, given he is tougher and will be able to take the hits better, and HV his face off.
You're correct in saying HV from a distance won't do it but there's nothing really stopping Zod from a bearhug HV combo
Originally posted by juggerman
The reason I asked is because it means Zod's durability is comfortably above Neo's and Smith's. Meaning that Smith would have to work harder to hurt Zod than Neo. It also means Zod would have more opportunity to grapple Smith, given he is tougher and will be able to take the hits better, and HV his face off.You're correct in saying HV from a distance won't do it but there's nothing really stopping Zod from a bearhug HV combo
It's arguable. The hits that Neo and Smith were delivering in their end fight seem stronger than what Zod and Clark were hitting each other with. And like I said, we never really see Smith or Neo get shot when they were finally in their most powerful forms so it's hard to judge. Neo did bleed when he stopped a sword with his palm, but then again this sword (or was it an axe?) was wielded by a superhuman as well.
If it makes you feel better, I do agree that Zod is more durable than Smith. And that if he gets shot by HV then it's really going to mess him up.
I just think that Smith's speed advantage and far higher fighting skill give him a win over Zod's durability. After all, Smith seems within the same strength range if not higher, so I don't see what's stopping him from just snapping Zod's neck. Given their fighting ability, I feel like Smith would have an easier time getting Zod's back and snapping his neck as compared to Zod bearhugging Smith and shooting his face off.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's arguable. The hits that Neo and Smith were delivering in their end fight seem stronger than what Zod and Clark were hitting each other with. And like I said, we never really see Smith or Neo get shot when they were finally in their most powerful forms so it's hard to judge. Neo did bleed when he stopped a sword with his palm, but then again this sword (or was it an axe?) was wielded by a superhuman as well.If it makes you feel better, I do agree that Zod is more durable than Smith. And that if he gets shot by HV then it's really going to mess him up.
I just think that Smith's speed advantage and far higher fighting skill give him a win over Zod's durability. After all, Smith seems within the same strength range if not higher, so I don't see what's stopping him from just snapping Zod's neck. Given their fighting ability, I feel like Smith would have an easier time getting Zod's back and snapping his neck as compared to Zod bearhugging Smith and shooting his face off.
Neo did dodge bullets tho. That's a clear indication he cannot tank bullets. But it seems we agree here so let's move on
It does make me feel better thank you 😄
I know Smith CAN go for a neck snap but why does eveyone assume he just will? He has always been a "beat you until you stop moving" kind of guy imo. Anyway, Smith and Neo were actually hurting eachother. Zod and Kal weren't . There nothing showing that either one was bothered in the slightest after their brawl. Yes Smith is superior in h2h but there is nothing showing that he can actually harm Zod in the least. Toss him around? Sure why not, but he wouldn't be causing any actual damage to him
Originally posted by juggerman
Neo did dodge bullets tho. That's a clear indication he cannot tank bullets. But it seems we agree here so let's move onIt does make me feel better thank you 😄
I know Smith CAN go for a neck snap but why does eveyone assume he just will? He has always been a "beat you until you stop moving" kind of guy imo. Anyway, Smith and Neo were actually hurting eachother. Zod and Kal weren't . There nothing showing that either one was bothered in the slightest after their brawl. Yes Smith is superior in h2h but there is nothing showing that he can actually harm Zod in the least. Toss him around? Sure why not, but he wouldn't be causing any actual damage to him
That's what bothered me about the kryptonians. Their durability seemed disproportionately high compared to their strength. Multiple blows and yet no one so much as had a bloody lip.
So Smith either wins through neck snap or Zod wins through HV shot. I can agree to that. Would depend on who can pull his move first.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's what bothered me about the kryptonians. Their durability seemed disproportionately high compared to their strength. Multiple blows and yet no one so much as had a bloody lip.So Smith either wins through neck snap or Zod wins through HV shot. I can agree to that. Would depend on who can pull his move first.
Why does any encounter here with Zod vs someone else result with auto neck snap feature? The only reason Mos got it done was CIS, lucky positioning on their return to earth and was forced into doing it.
Secondly about their durability being disproportionate to strength. If he got his neck snapped via strength from Kal, how is it disproportionate? Seems neck and neck. No pun intended.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why does any encounter here with Zod vs someone else result with auto neck snap feature? The only reason Mos got it done was CIS, lucky positioning on their return to earth and was forced into doing it.Secondly about their durability being disproportionate to strength. If he got his neck snapped via strength from Kal, how is it disproportionate? Seems neck and neck. No pun intended.
I can answer your questions, but I thought you were done debating with me?