Agent Smith (Matrix) vs. General Zod (MoS)

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
They were using HV a lot, hoe many neck snaps was Smith doing. Juggs was right, he had the opportunity to neck snap and didn't. You kinda lost your claim here on this. Fact is durability of neo fails in comparison to Zod. And we saw HV can be used up close in a brawl.
HV ftw

We never saw Zod use HV up close. Clark did. And yes Smith didn't do a neck snap. Morpheus did. So, are we including Calrk's and Morpheus's feats or not? You can't use one and not the other.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We never saw Zod use HV up close. Clark did. And yes Smith didn't do a neck snap. Morpheus did. So, are we including Calrk's and Morpheus's feats or not? You can't use one and not the other.

He did use it up close when he tried to hit clark with it, your kidding right? Arguing a canon fodder neck snap vs Zod's HV range now? No won't work.

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying the notion that Smith is sure to go for it is faulty at best.

But in a fight against a superior opponent that he had a ton of trouble trying to hurt, he didn't do so when the opportunity arose. That's why I'm not convinced he will try here. Not saying he can't in the least

That's a possibility

I'm trying to remember, did Smith actually want to kill Neo in the 2nd movie? I know he didnin the first movie but Neo becoming the one was the reason Smith was able to break free from the Matrix.

Their fight in the 2nd movie didn't seem like it was a fight to the death unlike their fight in the first.

Also consider that that Smith is far inferior to Oracle Smith. And I'm assuming in this match both combatants are going for the kill.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm trying to remember, did Smith actually want to kill Neo in the 2nd movie? I know he didnin the first movie but Neo becoming the one was the reason Smith was able to break free from the Matrix.

Their fight in the 2nd movie didn't seem like it was a fight to the death unlike their fight in the first.

Also consider that that Smith is far inferior to Oracle Smith. And I'm assuming in this match both combatants are going for the kill.

The part where Smith had the chance was Oracle Smith in Revolutions.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm trying to remember, did Smith actually want to kill Neo in the 2nd movie? I know he didnin the first movie but Neo becoming the one was the reason Smith was able to break free from the Matrix.

Their fight in the 2nd movie didn't seem like it was a fight to the death unlike their fight in the first.

Also consider that that Smith is far inferior to Oracle Smith. And I'm assuming in this match both combatants are going for the kill.

If he wasn't going for the kill why fight at all? It's been a while since I've seen the movie so maybe there was a reason I'm just unaware of. Why not just thank him for allowing him to be free? He also attacked at the end of the film iirc.

I really don't want to go back and watch so if someone could clarify that'd be great

He was superior stat wise but he was the same guy with the same goals. He had the perfect neck snapping set up and the thought never crossed his noodle

Originally posted by juggerman
If he wasn't going for the kill why fight at all? It's been a while since I've seen the movie so maybe there was a reason I'm just unaware of. Why not just thank him for allowing him to be free? He also attacked at the end of the film iirc.

I really don't want to go back and watch so if someone could clarify that'd be great

He was superior stat wise but he was the same guy with the same goals. He had the perfect neck snapping set up and the thought never crossed his noodle

I somewhat recall Smith playing cat and mouse games with Neo from the 2nd till 3rd movies. Or I might be mistaken. He did try to kill him in the real world IIRC. Anyway, I'll try to find time to skim through the movies later.

In any case, I don't see Smith going through a neck snap early into the fight. All I'm saying is that as durable as Zod is to blunt trauma attacks he does seem susceptible to joint manipulations. At some point in there Smith is going to start using these, especially if he can't put down Zod by simply punching and kicking him.

Smith was a lot faster and displayed far superior martial arts skills. This is a stomp. He'd wreck any weakling knian who came into his path. Smith was a villain who'd kill both Superman's fathers right in front of his weak willed son.