Hulk vs. Hyperion, Count Nefaria and Gladiator

Originally posted by Genii96
They were not even trying to kill him..;ust to restrain him. plus namor had been in the desert for like 2 days....and that was a bannerless hulk added on.

Herc and namor have stalemated a normal hulk on their own

This team of 3 beats hulk every time

They did 'almost' kill him though and NOTHING pointed to Namor being weakened. Let's not assume things here. Cap CLEARLY tells them to stop holding back. It can not get any clearer than this and even if they were holding back, taking on a team like that is insane.

This Hulk is pissed. This isn't a normal Hulk and Puck stalemated Classic Hulk, current Hulk is a different beast.

Hulk toasts them.

Team, easily.

FTR, Samson fought the same hulk when he wasn't dying and actually fought him for six hours straight.

Hulk couldn't ko him.

Cue Samson wanking from Carter.

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion was blasting Heat vision, using speed, flying, etc...he doesn't have that here and again, Hulk was mind controlled.

Remember, these guys can only punch here. That's it and they are fighting an unrelenting Hulk. This isn't a fight they can win.

Speed and flying are turned off, that's it.

Everything else is still on. Not sure where you're getting the punching only rule.

So how badly compromised was that Hulk? At 50% capacity? 75%? 30%?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speed and flying are turned off, that's it.

Everything else is still on. Not sure where you're getting the punching only rule.

So how badly compromised was that Hulk? At 50% capacity? 75%? 30%?

Hulk tanked Hyperion heat vision to the face and chest with no issues at all. That will not be a factor here. If anything, it would probably piss Hulk off more than what he is now.

He was compromised which means he wasn't fighting at his Prime. That's all that really matters tbh.

This is one fight Hulk

Loses

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk tanked Hyperion heat vision to the face and chest with no issues at all. That will not be a factor here. If anything, it would probably piss Hulk off more than what he is now.

He was compromised which means he wasn't fighting at his Prime. That's all that really matters tbh.

Not quite all that matters...

If he was at 75%, and Hyperion stalemated him, surely Glads, one of the most powerful HHs, can make up the rest of the 25%? Assuming of course, Hyperion>Gladiator.

If Hyperion = Gladiator, and Hyperion can stalemate a Hulk operating at 75%, then doubling Hyperion is overkill, even if Hulk is at 100%.

Thus of course ignores Nefaria.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite all that matters...

If he was at 75%, and Hyperion stalemated him, surely Glads, one of the most powerful HHs, can make up the rest of the 25%? Assuming of course, Hyperion>Gladiator.

If Hyperion = Gladiator, and Hyperion can stalemate a Hulk operating at 75%, then doubling Hyperion is overkill, even if Hulk is at 100%.

Thus of course ignores Nefaria.

I would agree with you if there wasn't more to this. There's no such thing as Hulk operating at 75% let alone 100% since we do not know what a 100% Hulk is due to his abilities (ya know, the consistent increase in power while he's fighting). I think this scan explains Hulk abilities best...

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg.html

"The more he fights, the stronger he grows". They are not fighting a character that has a cap...they are fighting someone that will keep tapping into his power while the fight progress. Becoming MORE powerful while the fight is still going on. Their best bet is to use Hyperion to calm him (since they aincere friends) and THEN having Glads and Nef sneak attack him. Outside of this, they get worked.

Am also curious as to how gimped a mind controlled Hulk is.

After all, he is hardly a Surfer, Thor or Superman - he punches really, really hard. He's not going to suddenly forget his powers, or tactics, is he?

So IF he IS gimped by mind-control, what does that mean? He....punches less hard? He gets less angry? It cannot be the latter - if he gets less angry, he becomes Banner - and we all know what a bad idea it is to try and mind-control the Hulk to become less angry, lol.

If mind control means less strength, how much harder would he have punched? Would it have been enough to KO Hyperion? Am sure we all know Hype's durability feats....

Originally posted by carver9
I would agree with you if there wasn't more to this. There's no such thing as Hulk operating at 75% let alone 100% since we do not know what a 100% Hulk is due to his abilities (ya know, the consistent increase in power while he's fighting). I think this scan explains Hulk abilities best...

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/12.jpg.html

"The more he fights, the stronger he grows". They are not fighting a character that has a cap...they are fighting someone that will keep tapping into his power while the fight progress. Becoming MORE powerful while the fight is still going on. Their best bet is to use Hyperion to calm him (since they aincere friends) and THEN having Glads and Nef sneak attack him. Outside of this, they get worked.

IOW, a mind-controlled Hulk is not gimped at all, because he is never at full potential (after all, his limits have never been hit). Thanks for clearing that up.

Hyperion alone can beat Hulk.

This is ridiculous..hulk gets shat on..being mind controlled dosent stop his strength....using a single feat of bannerless hulk taking on an armada of heroes..few of whom could take him on alone and has taken him on several times to justify this fight is ridiculous...these 3 win any time..each of them could beat him alone....

The problem here is that super speed was turned off, but BFR was not. It is highly unlikely Hulk can take out all three of these people before one of them just tosses him into space.

Flights also turned off....so he could BFR them the same way.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IOW, a mind-controlled Hulk is not gimped at all, because he is never at full potential (after all, his limits have never been hit). Thanks for clearing that up.

Hyperion alone can beat Hulk.

Is there proof that a mind controlled Hulk could dip in his power like he does when he's himself? Ya know, he zombie like. Can't see him being angry.

Originally posted by Genii96
This is ridiculous..hulk gets shat on..being mind controlled dosent stop his strength....using a single feat of bannerless hulk taking on an armada of heroes..few of whom could take him on alone and has taken him on several times to justify this fight is ridiculous...these 3 win any time..each of them could beat him alone....

A Bannerless Hulk that was weakening AND dying. Lol...Gotcha.

Hulk wins this and one vs one, he beats each of them.

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem here is that super speed was turned off, but BFR was not. It is highly unlikely Hulk can take out all three of these people before one of them just tosses him into space.

Hulk still have his speed though. It's just turned off for them.

Wait, I forgot Hulk is a speedster now.

Hulk wins

Originally posted by carver9
A Bannerless Hulk that was weakening AND dying. Lol...Gotcha.

Hulk wins this and one vs one, he beats each of them.

He was dying,yes..but his strength at that point was above a normal hulk by FAR...the mere fact it too those many to put him down shows how strong he was then....normal hulk has never,and I mean never had that kind of strength...and if we go by feats.. that easily stands as one of hulk's highest end feats

Hyperion,gladiator and count neferia at the same time?....comeon

Originally posted by carver9
Is there proof that a mind controlled Hulk could dip in his power like he does when he's himself? Ya know, he zombie like. Can't see him being angry.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Wait, doesn't Hulk stop being Hulk, and becomes Banner, when he's not angry?

So if he's Hulk, he's angry.

You're the one claiming he was weakened by the mind control. Prove it. What would he have done differently had the mind control not been there? Punched harder? We all know what Hyperion can tank, let alone the others.

Hyperion punched Hulk so hard he reverted to Banner.

CANON!

Team wins.