Hulk vs. Hyperion, Count Nefaria and Gladiator

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what could he have done differently?

You said she was stopping him from turning into Banner. That hardly seems like an advantage in a fight. If anything, she kept him in the game.

What tactics or powers did he not use, die to the mind control?

What could have been done differently. Hhhmmmm. How about releasing him so that he can fight on his own. I don't have to provide proof on if he was as strong as he should he or faster because the showing doesn't count for him since again, Hulk wasn't in the drivers seat. If anything, it's more impressive for Hulk since his mind controlled body stalemated a full focus/powered Hyperion.

Thunder clap, ground and pound, amping (no proof that he did he amped since he wasn't in control) the whole nine yards.

Iirc the absence of banner will make the hulk immediately stronger than his other incarnations but it will kill him on the long run.

That is only with the removal of banner from the equation. With banner suppressed it will make him stronger but it won't kill him.

Originally posted by carver9
Thunder clap, ground and pound, amping (no proof that he did he amped since he wasn't in control) the whole nine yards.

Lol. And so, had he been released and in full control, he would have done these tactics, right?

You're the Hulk expert. Let's say he does do them.

These three tactics would be enough to KO Hyperion/Gladiator/Nefaria, would it?

Shall we go by what these guys have taken?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. And so, had he been released and in full control, he would have done these tactics, right?

You're the Hulk expert. Let's say he does do them.

These three tactics would be enough to KO Hyperion/Gladiator/Nefaria, would it?

Shall we go by what these guys have taken?

You used Thor as an argument saying that if he wasn't in control all of this can happen, lol, why can't the same be said for Hulk?

Yes, lol, it will affect them. Hulk used a thunderclap on Glads that almost took him out of commission and then we have this...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion01aGiant-SizeDefenders4.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion02a.jpg.html

Koes Hyperion. It has stunned Hercules. Not naming everything but know it'll work if he resorted to that.

Did Carver wank Samson yet?

mmm

Originally posted by carver9
You used Thor as an argument saying that if he wasn't in control all of this can happen, lol, why can't the same be said for Hulk?

Yes, lol, it will affect them. Hulk used a thunderclap on Glads that almost took him out of commission and then we have this...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion01aGiant-SizeDefenders4.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media-full/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsHyperion02a.jpg.html

Koes Hyperion. It has stunned Hercules. Not naming everything but know it'll work if he resorted to that.

Different weaker Hyperion,

"Hickman: This is yet another parallel universe Hyperion. This is not King Hyperion, or Supreme Power Hyperion, this is not Gruenwald's Hyperion. This is Hyperion without all that baggage. This is Hyperion with a fresh slate, for a very specific purpose. He comes out of what the big story is behind the whole Avengers three-year plan that I have. He's very important, very pivotal, and I think people are really going to dig where we go with that. He's not going to be our poor analogue for Superman."

http://www.newsarama.com/10587-jonathan-hickman-brings-the-world-to-marvel-now-avengers.html

Originally posted by -K-M-
Different weaker Hyperion,

"Hickman: This is yet another parallel universe Hyperion. This is not King Hyperion, or Supreme Power Hyperion, this is not Gruenwald's Hyperion. This is Hyperion without all that baggage. This is Hyperion with a fresh slate, for a very specific purpose. He comes out of what the big story is behind the whole Avengers three-year plan that I have. He's very important, very pivotal, and I think people are really going to dig where we go with that. He's not going to be our poor analogue for Superman."

http://www.newsarama.com/10587-jonathan-hickman-brings-the-world-to-marvel-now-avengers.html

True, that is a different Hyperion. That wasn't the point of my post though and this version of Hyperion still have super hearing. Thanks for the interview though...it answered a lot of question that I had about Hyperion.

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Originally posted by carver9
True, that is a different Hyperion. That wasn't the point of my post though and this version of Hyperion still have super hearing. Thanks for the interview though...it answered a lot of question that I had about Hyperion.

Such as who he is, what he can do, and why Stilt specifically named Hickman's Hyperion in this thread?

When Thor uses his full powers, he unleashes the fury of a thousand hurricanes, Glory-busters, Godblasts etc.

Apparently, when Hulk goes all out, he....thunderclaps and ground pounds.

A fair bit of difference, no?

Notice I didn't say anything about amping. Why? Because whilst he was not in the driver's seat, he was being kept at angry levels (to 'be ferocious'😉. You ignored that part of my post.

She stopped Hulk from turning into Banner. She kept him in the game. Had she left him to his own devices, he would have reverted.

Hyperion alone has the potential to win here. Adding Gladiator (would you like some scans of what his HV can do? How hard he can punch? His durability?) and Nefaria (Stilt hasn't answered if its classic or not) is pretty much overkill...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Such as who he is, what he can do, and why Stilt specifically named Hickman's Hyperion in this thread?

When Thor uses his full powers, he unleashes the fury of a thousand hurricanes, Glory-busters, Godblasts etc.

Apparently, when Hulk goes all out, he....thunderclaps and ground pounds.

A fair bit of difference, no?

Notice I didn't say anything about amping. Why? Because whilst he was not in the driver's seat, he was being kept at angry levels (to 'be ferocious'😉. You ignored that part of my post.

She stopped Hulk from turning into Banner. She kept him in the game. Had she left him to his own devices, he would have reverted.

Hyperion alone has the potential to win here. Adding Gladiator (would you like some scans of what his HV can do? How hard he can punch? His durability?) and Nefaria (Stilt hasn't answered if its classic or not) is pretty much overkill...

He/stilt did named that Hyperion (here's the important part) who still have super hearing.

So you can show me an average Thor using all of those abilities in one fight? Scans.

Lol...it's impossible for a ANGRY Hulk to go to sleep and if he is sleep, he reverts back to Banner. There was more at play than what you think.

Hyperion had trouble with Hulk while having access to all of his abilities. He sure as hell isn't beating Hulk alone...especially in this hindered state.

Lol...I know what Glads heat vision can do and it's not enough. If you're referencing his last fight against a dying Hulk, you have to remember, his durability took a dive. A big enough dive that he was impaled by a telephone pole.

Nef gets koed in a single hit. Hyperion and Glads gets overwhelmed. Hulk end up victorious letting lose his rage on the anything that is close to him.

Not necessarily. Incredible Hulk #181-182 hulk was put to sleep and he didn't revert back to banner. Same with enchantress and wrecker knocking him out. Not much consistency all depends on the writer I guess

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not necessarily. Incredible Hulk #181-182 hulk was put to sleep and he didn't revert back to banner. Same with enchantress and wrecker knocking him out. Not much consistency all depends on the writer I guess

👆 yep!

Not even the gas station koed him to banner.

Or alternate hulk knocking him the **** out just recently.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not necessarily. Incredible Hulk #181-182 hulk was put to sleep and he didn't revert back to banner. Same with enchantress and wrecker knocking him out. Not much consistency all depends on the writer I guess

Forgot about those instances. I think Hickman knows about Hulk and his transformations when he is sleep though. Remember, Hickman wrote Hulk reverting back to Banner (when he was koed) after his fight against Sun God.

The old "I forgot" line
😂

Team, not even close.

Well there are instances where it has happened. Even recently with Doc Green he turned back into Banner when he feel asleep. Depends on the writer.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flights also turned off....so he could BFR them the same way.

Yeah, but there are 3 of them and 1 of him.

If people want to say the Hulk is a speedster and yet his speed would remain allowed..well, what would be the point of disallowing speed for one side, but not the other? It doesn't seem like this was intended to be a spite thread.

Personally I find the evidence he is a speedster at all dubious.

Classic Nefaria > HULK

Team wins