Hulk vs. Hyperion, Count Nefaria and Gladiator

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks for pointing that out.

Wait, doesn't Hulk stop being Hulk, and becomes Banner, when he's not angry?

So if he's Hulk, he's angry.

You're the one claiming he was weakened by the mind control. Prove it. What would he have done differently had the mind control not been there? Punched harder? We all know what Hyperion can tank, let alone the others.

She was controlling him. I'm pretty sure she made it so that he couldn't revert. Wait, she actually did prevent his transformation because she was 'controlling him' (pretty sure I do not have to explain what control means).

This is when she hacked into his brain...

Here is proof that she was controlling him...

Hulk wasn't at his Prime. When Hulk falls asleep or is knocked out, he reverts back to Hulk. Before his fight against Hyperion he was knocked out, she put him to sleep and he was still in his Hulk transformation which means she was controlling when he turns back to Banner or not. This was also proven when Thor fried her with lightning and she loss Hulk. As soon as that happened, Hulk reverted hack to Banner.

Hyperion broke Banner one on one.

I have spoken on the subject.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Hyperion broke Banner one on one.

I have spoken on the subject.

Lol...your statement is false though.

Originally posted by carver9
She was controlling him. I'm pretty sure she made it so that he couldn't revert. Wait, she actually did prevent his transformation because she was 'controlling him' (pretty sure I do not have to explain what control means).

Hulk wasn't at his Prime. When Hulk falls asleep or is knocked out, he reverts back to Hulk. Before his fight against Hyperion he was knocked out, she put him to sleep and he was still in his Hulk transformation which means she was controlling when he turns back to Banner or not. This was also proven when Thor fried her with lightning and she loss Hulk. As soon as that happened, Hulk reverted hack to Banner.

At no point was I doubting that he was mind controlled. Your posts and scans are merely attempts to cloud the issue, but I am not falling for that, and nor is anyone else on the forum.

He was mind controlled, yes. How does that make him weaker, or slower, or less durable? All it means is that he was now willing to fight people he was not willing to fight before. Your scan merely shows that he's now willing to follow her commands - nothing more. To cast a ferocious shadow. All she did was remove the mental blocks Hulk had on not fighting his friends.

Team achieves what Sun God did alone 🙂

Sun God seems comprable to Nefaria and Gladiator and he put The Hulk to sleep as well.

The history of all the characters involved have them as formidable opponents for the Hulk singularly. As a team he has no shot whatsoever.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Wait, doesn't Hulk stop being Hulk, and becomes Banner, when he's not angry?

So if he's Hulk, he's angry.

One problem with your reasoning.

If he's BannerLESS Hulk, there is NO Bruce Banner for Hulk to turn back into.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
One problem with your reasoning.

If he's BannerLESS Hulk, there is NO Bruce Banner for Hulk to turn back into.

When he fought Hyperion, he wasn't Bannerless. Agreed, though. If she supressed the Banner persona, he could well have been even angrier than normal when Hyperion stalemated him.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Sun God seems comprable to Nefaria and Gladiator and he put The Hulk to sleep as well.

The history of all the characters involved have them as formidable opponents for the Hulk singularly. As a team he has no shot whatsoever.

Sun God destroyed the map makers with a single attack. I disagree on them being as powerful as him.

Also, Banner took an antidote to suppress his anger while he was in his Hulk transformation a page before landing to fight Sun God. Let's include the context here please.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She was controlling him to fight the others. In no way shape or form was his speed, strength, durability etc compromised. I have asked for proof that he was weaker, or slower, or less durable. Prove it.

At no point was I doubting that he was mind controlled. Your posts and scans are merely attempts to cloud the issue, but I am not falling for that, and nor is anyone else on the forum.

He was mind controlled, yes. How does that make him weaker, or slower, or less durable? All it means is that he was now willing to fight people he was not willing to fight before. Your scan merely shows that he's now willing to follow her commands - nothing more. To cast a ferocious shadow. All she did was remove the mental blocks Hulk had on not fighting his friends.

So mind controlled characters counts as validity for whatever happens during the time they are being controlled (especially in Hulk's case)? Yes or no?

Excuse me? Hulk is taking down Glads and Hyperion? We know you live on planet Hulk but...

Carver doesn't just live there. He was BORN there.

Behold, the true son of the Hulk 😄

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Excuse me? Hulk is taking down Glads and Hyperion? We know you live on planet Hulk but...

With these stips, yes, he does.

Sun God> Hulk

Hyperion Glads> Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When he fought Hyperion, he wasn't Bannerless. Agreed, though. If she supressed the Banner persona, he could well have been even angrier than normal when Hyperion stalemated him.

Forgive me, you guys have posted a LOT in the 20 minutes or so where I was Googling for the adventure you were referring to before. I was responding to the Bannerless Hulk versus Avengers portion of the discussion of what is now 1 page ago (possibly more now since you guys seem to be using your lunch break to write about this).
That Hulk versus Avengers saga was Incredible Hulk 316 through Incredible Hulk 322 or thereabouts.

If memory serves, Hulk was somehow PHYSICALLY separated from Bruce Banner. In fact, Bruce was actually in a hospital bed watching Hulk on a television screen for part of the ordeal, IIRC. And dying. As was the Hulk.

What you seem to be recalling is the famous Onslaught episode, which one could easily enough be convinced appears in every Hulk respect thread online. Banner's CONTROL of Hulk was lost in that episode, due to Jean Grey, but he was still intact; you still had a whole NON-dying Hulk/Banner complex there.

Originally posted by carver9
Sun God destroyed the map makers with a single attack. I disagree on them being as powerful as him.

Also, Banner took an antidote to suppress his anger while he was in his Hulk transformation a page before landing to fight Sun God. Let's include the context here please.

The only context that counts is Banner's broken, bloody, body on the rocks at the hand of Sun God.

Originally posted by carver9
So mind controlled characters counts as validity for whatever happens during the time they are being controlled (especially in Hulk's case)? Yes or no?

That's your problem, its not a yes/no question.

If Thor for example is mind controlled, an argument can be made that he's not at 100% because he's fighting 'dumb', essentially. He won't use half his powers, for example.

You just said there is effectively no 'Prime' Hulk, as he's NEVER been at full capacity.

What would he have done had he not been mind controlled?

Answer: He won't have fought his allies.

Is there ANYTHING more? Punched harder? Jumped higher? What else could a 'peak' Hulk have done in that fight, to make you say he was weakened?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's your problem, its not a yes/no question.

If Thor for example is mind controlled, an argument can be made that he's not at 100% because he's fighting 'dumb', essentially. He won't use half his powers, for example.

You just said there is effectively no 'Prime' Hulk, as he's NEVER been at full capacity.

What would he have done had he not been mind controlled?

Answer: He won't have fought his allies.

Is there ANYTHING more? Punched harder? Jumped higher? What else could a 'peak' Hulk have done in that fight, to make you say he was weakened?

Fight in character is one thing and actually amping his powers properly is another. If he is mind controlled, just like Thor, then it's obvious his powers isn't being used in the way that it is normally used since someone else is controlling his actions.

Hulk is always mind controlled for one reason or another.

Weak

So what could he have done differently?

You said she was stopping him from turning into Banner. That hardly seems like an advantage in a fight. If anything, she kept him in the game.

What tactics or powers did he not use, die to the mind control?