Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage is also slower, less agile, does not have superhuman stamina and is nowhere near as smart.
Yeah, it's not a math contest and Cage won't need superhuman stamina against weak sauce Batman. Cage is experience, has incredible will and pain intake and his a magnitudes above Batman physically. Don't throw that last part out the door. Your argument would made sense if he was at the slightly meta enhanced level- he's not.
This is a better nerve strike, IMO:
Nobody uses it on Robin. Instantly paralyses him:
Batman uses the exact same movement:
And states it could kill.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/BatmanandRobin04RiZZ3N-Zonepg13.jpg
Note its application. Just two fingers needed, just one hit needed. That's all that would be needed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I took you off ignore, just to respond for this thread.BP did it, without Cage landing a single blow. Depowered Panther, too. IOW, it has happened before, by someone very similar to Batman.
BP knowing Cage...doesn't mean much. Unless Cage suddenly has nerves and organs in places normal humans don't? Are his internals different? Honest question here. AFAIK he is built like a normal human - with a heart where a heart should be, nerve point where they should be etc.
First off, I don't give a shit if you had me on ignore or not nor do I believe you. Yes, it means everything. BP knows everything about cage including this strengths and weaknesses. Batman doesn't. Last I checked, KMC fights don't start with two characters within striking range of each other. Batman would have to risk getting splattered to get up on him. Oh, and what exactly is Batman going to do when Cage brushes off the nerve strikes?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is a better nerve strike, IMO:Nobody uses it on Robin. Instantly paralyses him:
Batman uses the exact same movement:
And states it could kill.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/BatmanandRobin04RiZZ3N-Zonepg13.jpgNote its application. Just two fingers needed, just one hit needed. That's all that would be needed.
Robin has titanium like skin?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, it means everything. He knows everything about him including this strengths and weaknesses. Batman doesn't. Last I checked, KMC fights don't start with two characters within striking range of each other. Batman would have to risk getting splattered to get up on him. Oh, and what exactly is Batman going to do when Cage brushes off the nerve strikes?
They don't - riv put the two characters a block away. In Batman's hometown. At night. So he can stalk and observe (well within character - Bats does not just jump into battle with an unknown).
Then, when he fights, he will throw his batarangs. Also in character.
They will be useless.
Cage will boast about his skin. In character.
Batman will then follow up with strikes. In character.
That scan of yours - Cage has changed since then. Not to mention, we take the most recent depictions of characters. Not to mention, the strikes DID work a bit - he specifically restrains her so that she does not do the same thing again. Not to mention, he was brought to his knees by it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Robin has titanium like skin?
Like a depowered T'Challa has, I guess.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's nice. What's the significance?
Cage has been brought down by similar. Batman has brought down similar.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They don't - riv put the two characters a block away. In Batman's hometown. At night. So he can stalk and observe (well within character - Bats does not just jump into battle with an unknown).Then, when he fights, he will throw his batarangs. Also in character.
They will be useless.
Cage will boast about his skin. In character.
Batman will then follow up with strikes. In character.
That scan of yours - Cage has changed since then. Not to mention, we take the most recent depictions of characters. Not to mention, the strikes DID work a bit - he specifically restrains her so that she does not do the same thing again. Not to mention, he was brought to his knees by it.
What happened after Proxima Midnight brought him to his knees? Did he stay down? Was he KOed? There is nothing Batman can do to Cage to win. And what you do mean by Cage has changed?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage getting actually hurt by nerve strikes from a z-list villain goes nicely with him getting owned in 2 panels by an a-list hero, actually.
Define A list and Z list and tell me what it matters.
Funny how you guys are contending that Batman wouldn't get hit by Cage, but are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Batman will execute a perfect nerve strike.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What happened after Proxiderma Midnight brought him to his knees? Did he stay down? Was he KOed? There is nothing Batman can do to Cage to win. And what you do mean by Cage has changed?
You keep saying there is nothing he can do - when we've seen BP taking him down. Still not sure what studying Cage would do - BP specifically says he's like 'every man' with regards to nerve points.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Define A list and Z list and tell me what it matters.Funny how you guys are contending that Batman wouldn't get hit by Cage, but are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Batman will execute a perfect nerve strike.
True, Batman might accidentally kill Cage if he hits hard enough.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cage severely lacks in the skill and speed departments, too.And Batman's hand speed was superior to depowered T'Challa's in that scene. And we know that T'Challa's speed was sufficient.
Up, no it wasn't "superior." Drama queen much? By the way, who's faster, Cage or Sabertooth?
Batman couldn't take any hit from Cage and Cage has proven he can hit an opponent that who's speed is "superior" to Batman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You keep saying there is nothing he can do - when we've seen BP taking him down. Still not sure what studying Cage would do - BP specifically says he's like 'every man' with regards to nerve points.True, Batman might accidentally kill Cage if he hits hard enough.
Cage was not prepped to fight and it's not the same context. And nice spin, but BP was simply stating he didn't have superpowers at the time. Who are you, Abby Jr.? You now damn well that BP without powers is anything but a normal man. As a "normal man" his reaction time was still displayed as superhuman, so much so that an opponent commented on it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Cage was not prepped to fight and it's not the same context. And nice spin, but BP was simply stating he didn't have superpowers at the time. Who are you, Abby Jr.? You now damn well that BP without powers is anything but a normal man. As a "normal man" his reaction time was still displayed as superhuman, so much so that an opponent commented on it.
So had Cage prepped, he would be able to withstand the strikes? Even IF this were true (proof please), what significance is that? Does Batman get prep, too? Dangerous road to walk down.
BP was simply...no, reread the scan.
Super strength...unbreakable skin. But every man (emphasis mine) has nerve points.
All Vlad said was that he had excellent reflexes. That it would be hard to catch him by surprise. BP himself said that he was peak human. Not superhuman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So had Cage prepped, he would be able to withstand the strikes? Even IF this were true (proof please), what significance is that? Does Batman get prep, too? Dangerous road to walk down.BP was simply...no, reread the scan.
All Vlad said was that he had excellent reflexes. That it would be hard to catch him by surprise. BP himself said that he was peak human. Not superhuman.
Yes, he would have. I don't even understand the premise of you question. If the only way a human BP could beat him was with nerve strikes, he'd guard against it and easily so. That's common sense and doesn't need further explanation. Are you telling me there wasn't any element of surprise involved?
Also, riddle me this. If Cage has been affected by nerve strikes before, why would he not during the fight pick up on Batman's capabilities as a combatant and guard against a nerve strike? Oh, you want him to be portrayed like the big idiot nobody in the scan. Sorry, he's not.
What the discernible difference in peak human and meta human as it is portrayed in comics? I rest my case.
Finally, how about you explain why Cage couldn't land one punch on Batman?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, he would have. I don't even understand the premise of you question. If the only way a human BP could beat him was with nerve strikes, he'd guard against it and easily so. That's common sense and doesn't need further explanation. Are you telling me there wasn't any element of surprise involved?Also, riddle me this. If Cage has been affected by nerve strikes before, why would he not during the fight pick up on Batman's capabilities as a combatant and guard against a nerve strike? Oh, you want him to be portrayed like the big idiot nobody in the scan. Sorry, he's not.
What the discernible difference in peak human and meta human as it is portrayed in comics? I rest my case.
Finally, how about you explain why Cage couldn't land one punch on Batman?
Then...why not guard against the second strike? You've shown that Cage has some speed reactions - and you're asserting that nerve strikes won't work. So BP gets the drop on him, and hits him the first time. OK. Whydid he not 'easily'guard against being dropped to his knees? Or does Cage just not possess the reactions after all? Because the only other explanation is, he WANTED to get kicked in the knee. I am obviously lacking in common sense, because I can't see how after being hit once, he still gets surprised with a second hit - usually when a dude hits me, I kinda realise I'm in a fight.
I will answer your riddle. Because Cage has no skill, certainly not on the level of Bats when it comes to pressure points. In comics, with all its mystical BS, apparently the forehead - skin over solid bone - is a pressure point. How is Cage suddenly knowing where to guard, especially when all Batman needs is one hit?
Agreed, no real discernible difference between meta and peak. Batman's peak. T'challa's peak. T'challa had the element of surprise (don't forget, this is Gotham at night). T'challa managed to surprise Cage, AND THEN managed to bypass Cage's apparently amazing reactions, and landed a second blow, bringing him to his knees. Imagine if Batman's opening blow was the forehead move. The second wouldn't even be needed.
Because he'd be on the floor. Like with Panther.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I took you off ignore, just to respond for this thread.BP did it, without Cage landing a single blow. Depowered Panther, too. IOW, it has happened before, by someone very similar to Batman.
BP knowing Cage...doesn't mean much. Unless Cage suddenly has nerves and organs in places normal humans don't? Are his internals different? Honest question here. AFAIK he is built like a normal human - with a heart where a heart should be, nerve point where they should be etc.
That's a great and fine, but at the same time, let's not pretend that
Batman can't be hurt, or taken out by an environmental attack. Cage
could actually win this. Batman isn't taking a strong hit to the body from
Cage. I think Bruce would win more times than not, but it would be due
to his gadgets and superior skill more times than not.
