Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I thought people here said the ring can give you anything you want if you will it into existence?
That's pushing it a tad.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea then how did Hal tag Zoom then? Going to respond to points later.Exactly.
By telling the ring to. The same way you can tell the ring "take me to oa" and it'll do all of the work itself.
You're gonna need more than that to show that the ring makes a GL have ftl reflexes, tbh.
Originally posted by Deadline
I guess it is, not sure if that's a good point.
Everyone else? Re read what you just typed, lol.
Hal has FTL reaction speeds.
Yet, Batman was able to out-react him, and catch him out by surprise.
Ergo, Batman has FFTL reaction speeds.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea then how did Hal tag Zoom then? Going to respond to points later.Exactly.
Low showing? Unless you're going to say Hal is faster than Flash in reflex speed. Which, apparently, you are.
But Batman has reaction speeds faster than Hal!
Therefore, in the JLA, Batman is > all in reaction speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Jesse Quick oneshotted Zoom. OMG!!!!!!
Originally posted by Deadline
Not even sure what your point is. So Zoom had a bad day.
Funny enough, he intended to kill her and Damage. Far as I know, it was one of the few he's not all, "I'MTRYINGTOMAKEYOUBETTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" moments.
Also, Superman wins.
Originally posted by abhilegendBecause he stumbled upon that power. It's not a willpower feat. That once his wife betrayed him, he committed suicide? Great willpower there. Superman tired Emperor Joker out by that criteria.
So you have no proof that it increases willpower? Good.Yea he is, he was being tortured by the Badoon and turned into a cyborg slave. He found a way to beat them and become a space god.
You were saying? It does not. So your point is Cap will tag Superman and Superman then punches him out? Because what's tagging Zoom has to do with fighting Superman?
Just like Hal tagging Zoom has no point here. [/QUOTE]
Look you're forgetting that Korvac tricked a being who is sub-skyfather level and has superhuman intelligence and an advanced alien race. Mxy is just an average intelligence being with vast powers. The rest of your post is trollish.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He doesn't need to say it out loud. The ring responds to mental commands.
Great then lets assume every time a GL does something its a mental command to the ring.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Trying to claim that one feat gives GLs FTL reflexes when the average shows far less, isn't exactly a solid foundation.
Kyle has fought Flash has been able to grab him, and theres this.
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Green%20Lantern/johnspeed.jpg.html
The problem with "GL rings give them FTL reflexes" is no they have to actually amp themselves. If Captain America was fast enough to amp himself in time then..he wouldn't actually need to bother amping himself because he'd already be able to out react Superman *waits for a 'they fly fast in space' argument*
Originally posted by Deadline
Kyle has fought Flash has been able to grab him, and theres this.http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Green%20Lantern/johnspeed.jpg.html
Have you read that comic? Or at least the entire fight?
Originally posted by Deadline
^ Well anyway Kyle has grabbed Flash in a fight so theres that as well. No I haven't read the comics I haven't read every comic in existance.
I don't expect you to read every comic ever, but in all honesty, I don't think the full scene helps your case, either for speed or how a GL fares against Superman.
Make sure to read Superman's narration in the third scan(pages 18-19) carefully.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't expect you to read every comic ever, but in all honesty, I don't think the full scene helps your case, either for speed or how a GL fares against Superman.Make sure to read Superman's narration in the third scan(pages 18-19) carefully.
You know what I'm not so sure. Are you trying to argue that Superman is faster than both Flash and John Stewart? That doesn't make any sense fact is eventhough I wouldnt argue that John is faster than the Flash in general doesn't change the fact in this instance he was and hes still very fast. The reason why he hesistated was obvoulsy because he thought it would be the best thing to do otherwise he would have just blitzed them.
Still doesn't change the fact that Hal has grabbed Zoom and Kyle has been able to grab Flash in a fight. Oh and as far as Im concerned Steve would be the best GL there is period and he also has his indestructible shield, h2h skills etc. Supes goes down hard.
Also seems like a bit of low showing for John just to get koed like that, based on what I've seen him do he should do better.
Originally posted by Deadline
You know what I'm not so sure. Are you trying to argue that Superman is faster than both Flash and John Stewart? That doesn't make any sense fact is eventhough I wouldnt argue that John is faster than the Flash in general doesn't change the fact in this instance he was and hes still very fast. The reason why he hesistated was obvoulsy because he thought it would be the best thing to do otherwise he would have just blitzed them.
So you're trying to argue John is faster than Superman because he reacted faster than Wally, but that John isn't faster than Wally, but still faster than Superman even though Superman attacked faster than Wally could react(or at least do anything)?
Originally posted by Deadline
Still doesn't change the fact that Hal has grabbed Zoom and Kyle has been able to grab Flash in a fight.
Hal grabbed Zoom from behind when Zoom was standing in one spot. Not the best example. And have scan/issue reference for Kyle grabbing Flash? Also, unless you think it being a different Power Ring makes a difference, Superman treated Sinestro like this.
Sinestro got away, because he attacked while Superman was distracted. And Superman initially couldn't escape without hurting the sailors. Since this is from the SILVER AGE storyline(not from the Silver Age, but named after that as it was an homage in style; it's definitely canon), this would take place with a rookie Superman against the veteran ring slinger Sinestro. And hurts the argument about the Power Rings giving the reflexes you're arguing.
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh and as far as Im concerned Steve would be the best GL there is period and he also has his indestructible shield, h2h skills etc. Supes goes down hard.
Honestly, that's a circular argument and means little. The burden of proof is on you to prove Cap will perform like you're arguing. You really made a topic that's hard for you to do that with due to the rules on GLs.
Originally posted by Deadline
Also seems like a bit of low showing for John just to get koed like that, based on what I've seen him do he should do better.
So, another circular argument.
Hal Jordan being able to "grab" Zoom is pure PIS really, standard stuff that speedsters have to deal with. The speed gap between a GL and Zoom is monumental.
For pre 52 we've also had Kyle Rayner puking from being carried at super speed by the Flash, where he even specifically notes that it is way different then flying fast in space.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Zoom was in one spot focused on others when Hal came behind him.
Stop trying to twist the feat around and trying to belittle it. He wasn't standing still like you said read it again. Not even sure what you mean by on one spot, he was running around WW and was strangling WW with her own lasso before Hal intervened. Will respond to other points later but had to address that nonsense.
Originally posted by Surtur
Even then though...Hal would of been like a statue to him.
Originally posted by Deadline
Stop trying to twist the feat around and trying to belittle it. He wasn't standing still like you said read it again. Not even sure what you mean by on one spot, he was running around WW and was strangling WW with her own lasso before Hal intervened. Will respond to other points later but had to address that nonsense.
I mixed up the scene, but it doesn't change the fact that you're blowing it out of proportion. As for your reaction, I really don't think you're going to do very well in your own thread.
