General Primary Discussion Thread

Well that's the thing. Trump and Hillary clearly feed off of each other and expand their base based on scaremongering about what the other is going to do. And the more their bases expand, the more they can use it to scare the public into voting for them. Both candidates claim that their opponent is a juggernaut and the only way to stop them is to vote for said candidate.

I know numerous Trump supporters who like him purely because they think he can beat Hillary, and likewise, I know many Clinton supporters who only back her to stop Trump. Hell, that's pretty much Clinton's campaign is that she can stand up to Trump.

So as stated, they both feed off of each other to scare up more voters.

As stated before, we liberals REALLY should have followed the republicans example and went with the radical Sanders. The fact that we did not massively damages the ideology of the party.

So ill admit it. The liberals phucked up. MASSIVELY. If Trump wins, it will be because democrats choose a candidate they didn't really support to begin with. Hillary goes against everything the modern liberal stand for. She is the very epitome of corrupt politics that liberal democrats hate. And yet they chose her to be the nominee over the actual progressive candidate.

With Hillary though, we had a far better choice with Sanders and yet Democrats went with her anyways.

I think this is why republicans hate us. We claim we want progress against corrupt politicians yet we are knowingly choosing a corrupt politician over an honest one. We seem like complete hypocrites.

Most of Sanders proposals are things that work well in European countries, so it's not like he's an out there kook. He's left for the US, for sure, but it's not like he's anywhere close to a (real) socialist or even communist. He's a middle of the road European social democrat.

He may not be electable in the United States, though a year where Donald Trump is running for the Republicans is probably his best shot

Most of Sanders proposals are things that work well in European countries, so it's not like he's an out there kook. He's left for the US, for sure, but it's not like he's anywhere close to a (real) socialist or even communist. He's a middle of the road European social democrat.

He may not be electable in the United States, though a year where Donald Trump is running for the Republicans is probably his best shot

Originally posted by It's xyz!
Their status as a majority was used to oppress minorities.....

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/gentiles.htm

Read upon goyim and how it quickly says "no u". However, Jews are not a majority, so they can't oppress people, and you should be okay with this argument.

http://rense.com/general86/talmd.htm
Here are Talmudic quotes specifically relating to the dangers of goyim and how they are slaves to the Jews who do not deserve to understand Judaism.

You must have a problem with this kind of oppression, right?

I'm also willing to wager your anthropology class was nothing more than feminists and young adults circle jerking each other about how race is only skin deep and colonial history is absolutely irrelevant when discussing genetics, which you also didn't do because it was more about taking quotes out of context, (lol, hitter and ford were racist), and how black people can get jobs so everything else is irrelevant.

I'm not trying to insult black people here, I'm saying white liberals don't understand how brainwashed thy really are and will not think when it comes to race issues.

Yeah... secret Jewish illuminati conspiracy theories aren't my thing. That being stated, I'm no Judaism supporter. The torah is full of texts about genocide and slavery.

Honestly, I don't think there is any race that is clean. A few days ago I saw a post on Facebook about how the white man corrupted Africa with slavery, and I had to say "Hold up. Africa wasn't some utopian arcadia. It was oppressing its people with slavery way before Europeans came there."

Every ethinicity, whites, blacks, Jews, etc. has served both as an oppressor and as the oppressed at some point it's history. There is no race that has only been victimized and never done any wrong.

Every ethnicity has violated human rights and had their human rights violated at some point. The goal of the future is to break this cycle of oppressor vs oppressed, and to get all ethnicities to obey human rights. Until then, humanity will be stuck in its tribalism.

Also, no, my anthropology class was not full of SJWs, don't know why you chose to insult them like that.

I'm not sure there's evidence that both Democrats and Republicans feel that way. At the very least over 40% of Democratic primary voters definitely disagree. And from stats I have seen previously, most Hillary supporters would support him as well in the general election.

I also think that your characterisation of Sanders is false. He's been in political office for 35 years. And while I don't know much about his private career it seems like he worked in different careers, such as writer, teacher, director of a non-profit and carpenter (which I believe was Jesus' profession).

Originally posted by Bardock42
Most of Sanders proposals are things that work well in European countries, so it's not like he's an out there kook. He's left for the US, for sure, but it's not like he's anywhere close to a (real) socialist or even communist. He's a middle of the road European social democrat.

He may not be electable in the United States, though a year where Donald Trump is running for the Republicans is probably his best shot

A successful businessman vs someone who barely worked in the presidential debates. I mean, Bush beat Kerry, Reagan beat Mondale, Bush beat Dukakis etc.

Trump would wipe the floor with Sanders and that's why people are voting for Clinton because they know this.

"I created jobs"
"You took them away"
"You'd probably enjoy that, Bern"

Also, you're not wrong about Sanders and how he is applicable to Europe.

the problem with Sanders is that he has the right ideas, but rather than being patient and implementing them over a course of time so that the public can ease their way into the changes, he wants to do an instant system overhaul, and everybody knows you can't change the entire status quo overnight. People are naturally adverse to big changes in their systemic way of life. Humans need time to adapt and adjust to change, especially huge societal changes that Bernie wants. History is proven to vindicate the righteous, and Sanders policies will probably be implemented a few decades from now, but as of now, America simply isn't ready for him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah... secret Jewish illuminati conspiracy theories aren't my thing. That being stated, I'm no Judaism supporter. The torah is full of texts about genocide and slavery.

Honestly, I don't think there is any race that is clean. A few days ago I saw a post on Facebook about how the white man corrupted Africa with slavery, and I had to say "Hold up. Africa wasn't some utopian arcadia. It was oppressing its people with slavery way before Europeans came there."

Every ethinicity, whites, blacks, Jews, etc. has served both as an oppressor and as the oppressed at some point it's history. There is no race that has only been victimized and never done any wrong.

Every ethnicity has violated human rights and had their human rights violated at some point. The goal of the future is to break this cycle of oppressor vs oppressed, and to get all ethnicities to obey human rights. Until then, humanity will be stuck in its tribalism.

Also, no, my anthropology class was not full of SJWs, don't know why you chose to insult them like that.

The United States and Europe have for centuries argued for human rights and this perceived oppression of black people you seem to believe is a myth. Many white politicians have defended black rights and they do have equal rights to white people.

Jesus' position. Also a Jew. Kek.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not sure there's evidence that both Democrats and Republicans feel that way. At the very least over 40% of Democratic primary voters definitely disagree. And from stats I have seen previously, most Hillary supporters would support him as well in the general election.

I also think that your characterisation of Sanders is false. He's been in political office for 35 years. And while I don't know much about his private career it seems like he worked in different careers, such as writer, teacher, director of a non-profit and carpenter (which I believe was Jesus' profession).

Originally posted by Lestov16
the problem with Sanders is that he has the right ideas, but rather than being patient and implementing them over a course of time so that the public can ease their way into the changes, he wants to do an instant system overhaul, and everybody knows you can't change the entire status quo overnight. People are naturally adverse to big changes in their systemic way of life. Humans need time to adapt and adjust to change, especially huge societal changes that Bernie wants. History is proven to vindicate the righteous, and Sanders policies will probably be implemented a few decades from now, but as of now, America simply isn't ready for him.

Umm....do you think I just generalise every member of a race into one category? That's what you seem to think I do. You act as though I think that every member of a particular race operates under a hive mind, when that's obviously not how it works.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
Jesus' position. Also a Jew. Kek.

Thats pretty much exactly what Hilary has done her entire career.

Not really. She's patient (or at least opportunistic) when it comes to progress. One example is her famous flip flop on gay marriage. When the public was.t ready for it, she was against it, but now that the public supports it, so does she. She waited until the public adjusted to the change before embracing it herself.

One could argue that this is the ideal for a politician. Not me...but one...

Personally I prefer a candidate such as Bernie who attacks the issues head on instead of waiting for the public to progress, but government is ultimately the agent of the public, so even if a politician knows the problems, they need the green light from the public to fix it.

Put it like this, Bernie is a great revolutionary, but a terrible politician.

You think black people are oppressed. They aren't.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Umm....do you think I just generalise every member of a race into one category? That's what you seem to think I do. You act as though I think that every member of a particular race operates under a hive mind, when that's obviously not how it works.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Not really. She's patient (or at least opportunistic) when it comes to progress. One example is her famous flip flop on gay marriage. When the public was.t ready for it, she was against it, but now that the public supports it, so does she. She waited until the public adjusted to the change before embracing it herself.

You think whites are being oppressed. They aren't.

To be clear, my point is that ethnicities can be both the oppressor and the oppressed at the same time. There are whites who treat minorities unfair and whites who are treated unfairly by minorities. Same with blacks, jews, Muslims, Latinos, and all other ethnic or religious groups. The distinction between oppressor and oppressed can be blurred very easily.

Originally posted by Lestov16
the problem with Sanders is that he has the right ideas, but rather than being patient and implementing them over a course of time so that the public can ease their way into the changes, he wants to do an instant system overhaul, and everybody knows you can't change the entire status quo overnight. People are naturally adverse to big changes in their systemic way of life. Humans need time to adapt and adjust to change, especially huge societal changes that Bernie wants. History is proven to vindicate the righteous, and Sanders policies will probably be implemented a few decades from now, but as of now, America simply isn't ready for him.

Do you actually believe that or is that something you just need to tell yourself to sleep better at night? The righteous? Right ideas? Seriously? Your problem is you have no idea how the world works, that's why you're delusional.

Go into more detail please. Calling my reasoning ridiculous without providing any reasoning of your own makes your derision of my post rather meaningless.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Go into more detail please. Calling my reasoning ridiculous without providing any reasoning of your own makes your derision of my post rather meaningless.

As is your comment about "right ideas" and "righteous" without any kind of reasoning or specificity. Your arguments aren't argued most of the time. You just say things without any basis, and call them right. Hence my post.

Well I think Bernie has the right ideas because I think universal healthcare and access to education should be innate human rights and not determined on net worth. I don't think people should be condemned to death and ignorance simply because they can't afford it.

But obviously you think different. You think whether a man lives or dies should be determined by the amount in their bank account. So please, explain why to me. I'm curious how one can put monetary value on human life. Tell me how you do it.