Originally posted by One-Punch
So you're claiming the Eradicator's influence made Superman a worst fighter. Where's your evidence for this? The only thing you've provided is fan mail speculation, which the editor didn't agree with. This is also against forum rules BTW.Lobo telling Superman he fought like a butler, was him making a point about how his street fighting style is superior to Superman's boy scout fighting style.
It wasn't speculation that Eradicator was influencing him. But first, let's take a look at a couple statements in the issue.
"SCIENCE MUST PREVAIL OVER HIS BARBARISM!!"
Well, that doesn't seem like the mindset of a very good fighter.
What else?
"--science--has once again triumphed over raw brute force." "--it was easy to conclude that trickery would prove more productive than fighting." Yeah, not the words of someone who's going to try too hard. Oh, but you said that nowhere was it shown Eradicator was influencing him? Why exactly is he wondering how he was able to use the Kryptonian Warsuit so well? When they've got the Eradicator right in view as I've pointed out?
Still not convinced that Eradicator hadn't influenced him? Superman realizes it had been doing it for months.
Also, as for me supposedly breaking a rule?
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Everything it refers to is online. Nothing mentioned about what an editor says in the letter pages. Since it seems the rule is in place for people using stuff that is questionable if it actually was a writer, I'm pretty sure the letter pages don't qualify.
Originally posted by One-Punch
You make it sound like the Eradicator's influence made Superman a pacifist or something, which isn't true. It made him more ruthless, logical, efficient, and willing to kill--which means he's not holding back. This is evidenced when he fought Draaga and Maxima. If anything, the Eradicator's influence made Superman a more potent and smart fighter. Feel free to post those fights BTW.So, what other evidence do you have of Eradicator negatively influencing Superman? Because all the evidence in the actual comic (not fan mail) shows otherwise.
Saying a willingness to kill means you're going to go all out is dumb. Superman was cold and logical, not bloodlusted. Superman had previously beaten Draaga when WEAKENED from lack of solar energy, and he was, power-wise, back to normal when they fought during his influence under Eradicator. Him being so willing to kill Draaga was purely seen as logical, he actually talked about respecting Draaga's culture.
Maxima he bitchslapped to a KO. What exactly is that supposed to prove other than he was that above her?
Originally posted by One-Punch
First let's get one thing straight, you claimed the editor agreed with the fan's speculation that the Eradicator made Superman hold back. This turned out to be false. No where does the editor say the Eradicator influenced Superman negatively.
Superman was trying to out-science Lobo, as the comic made clear at the end.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Secondly, the editor's statement about Lobo isolating weaknesses is pretty vague and general. You make it sound like Lobo had some secret power he used. If we examine the fight, it was purely physical on Lobo's part--and clearly Lobo's street fighting style got the better of Superman's boy scout style fighting. It's not like Lobo used kryponite or something, he simply beat the snot out of him. Superman himself stated he couldn't out brawl him.
For one, the editor said "solely under fistcuffs," and, actually Kryptonite is why Superman jumped into the Kryptonian Warsuit. And yeah, he was trying to out-science Lobo.
Originally posted by One-Punch
The problem is after they had their heads bashed together, the scene immediately changes, and a page later they're up and fine. We don't get to see how the head butting actually affected them. They could've been KO'd, or stunned, or badly hurt, or perfectly fine--we don't know because there's no art or narration to give us any clues.There are tons of scenes where heroes (including Superman) get punched down or out of the panel, only to show up a couple of pages later. We can't assume they were knocked out. By your standards, I can claim DCNU Aquaman one-shot KO'd DCNU Superman because we don't see him come back till later.
So, if no KO occurred, why is Lobo holding a grudge over it?
Unless you think he stays mad over every time he gets hit in a fight but only occasionally mentions the need to get back at them?
Originally posted by One-Punch
Lar Gand was definitely WINNING though, and according to the narration was about to be killed had Lobo not interrupted the fight.
He didn't finish the fight, which I would think would kinda be something relevant to trying to argue Thor winning here, and got KOed in the end. Unless you're going to argue that only Lobo was KOed. Or, better yet, argue neither were KOed and Lobo held a grudge for being attacked in a fight he jumped into.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Show me the scan where Banshee uses her death voice before choking him out. I don't have access to my computer right now.
You posted the very scans. She says "Superman" which counted enough as a name, saying it is all that was required. But here.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Metallo was beating Superman physically, and pretty easily at that. Superman couldn't beat him physically, and was forced to cut off his power source. It shows that herald level characters can contend with Superman in physical fights and be winning once in a while.
lol Metallo couldn't be moved as long as he was touching the ground. Did you even read your own scans? Knocking him around and effecting him doesn't mean he was winning considering he couldn't be moved in the traditional way. Superman literally kicked his head off.
Also, due to what Juntai said earlier, I'll take you bringing up earlier examples of Superman to mean you won't protest if I do something like bring-up gray Hulk losing a fight.
Originally posted by Delta1938
He was stunned, yeah, but the scene was for dramatic effect. He's back up on his own almost immediately in the next issue.
Originally posted by Delta1938What else?
"--science--has once again triumphed over raw brute force." "--it was easy to conclude that trickery would prove more productive than fighting." Yeah, not the words of someone who's going to try too hard. Oh, but you said that nowhere was it shown Eradicator was influencing him? Why exactly is he wondering how he was able to use the Kryptonian Warsuit so well? When they've got the Eradicator right in view as I've pointed out?
Put the wrong scan in. Here.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You're right. The scene was written for dramatic effect, but at the expense of Superman. If he could get laid out by this villain, they had better take him seriously. It was to convey to the readers that Konvict was a very tough character. Still doesn't change the fact that Supes was out cold even for a brief period of time.
So a whole two panels before he starts talking when the scene was done for dramatic effect means "he was definitely out?"
Originally posted by Delta1938
He was stunned, yeah, but the scene was for dramatic effect. He's back up on his own almost immediately in the next issue.
Wtf?? What kind of fanboy excuse did you just hatch? "For dramatic effect?" 😂 😆 😂
You all would NEVER allow anyone to get away with such and excuse for another character. Funny how Superman is about truth, justice and the American way but his fans don't seem to have a shred of honesty, integrity or fairness.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wtf?? What kind of fanboy excuse did you just hatch? "For dramatic effect?" 😂 😆 😂You all would NEVER allow anyone to get away with such and excuse for another character. Funny how Superman is about truth, justice and the American way but his fans don't seem to have a shred of honesty, integrity or fairness.
So, are you ever going to accept my challenge, or continue to be the short bus riding waterboy who convinces others he's a valuable part of the team?
Originally posted by Delta1938
You can look at it another way if you know that you can have your eyes closed when you're stunned, and can be stunned without being KOed.
Any comic reader who looks at that panel and claims Superman wasn't knocked the **** out is a filthy liar or in a psychotic state denial. Luckily Diana held down the fort until he could wake his stupid ass up.
You know, I would sided with those that said Superman > Diana, but you know what? I don't think that's necessarily true. I've seen enough of her carrying his ass as well as beating it to say that DC is engaged in a good deal of sexism. She's a better fighter, point blank. She's also magic based. Time to pass the torch Kally Wally, and you might want to stop being a little *****
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Any comic reader who looks at that panel and claims Superman wasn't knocked the **** out is a filthy liar or in a psychotic state denial. Luckily Diana held down the fort until he could wake his stupid ass up.You know, I would sided with those that said Superman > Diana, but you know what? I don't think that's necessarily true. I've seen enough of her carrying his ass as well as beating it to say that DC is engaged in a good deal of sexism. She's a better fighter, point blank. She's also magic based. Time to pass the torch Kally Wally, and you might want to stop being a little *****
So trying to distract from the fact that you're terrified of having to debate on your own merits instead of ride the coattails of others. Cowardly refusal accepted.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So, are you ever going to accept my challenge, or continue to be the short bus riding waterboy who convinces others he's a valuable part of the team?
Stop asking me the same shit over and over, liar. The **** is wrong with you, do you need some counseling? You need to get back on point, you were right in the middle of perpetuating a huge lie even though everyone can see the truth on panel.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Stop asking me the same shit over and over, liar. The **** is wrong with you, do you need some counseling? You need to get back on point, you were right in the middle of perpetuating a huge lie even though everyone can see the truth on panel.
At this point, the only one you're successfully lying to is yourself. You bitched out because you know how poorly you'll do without others. All bark, no bite, and only barks when having a bandwagon to ride.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Blue Area Pet 😂
We should just start calling him Cartman with all the mental gymnastics he does.
Originally posted by Delta1938
At this point, the only one you're successfully lying to is yourself. You bitched out because you know how poorly you'll do without others. All bark, no bite, and only barks when having a bandwagon to ride.
So to answer the question, yes, Superman has been beaten, knocked the **** out and bodied by heralds. Too bad your mouth keeps overdrawing your account. 😂 And that's on topic, beyotch. 👆
Originally posted by Delta1938
We should just start calling him Cartman with all the mental gymnastics he does.
Would that be for "dramatic effect?" 😱
