Originally posted by abhilegend
You still didn't explain how it would affect Thor's durability. Thor had to pound Gladiator several times with mjolnir and energy blast him to subdue him when he was all out.So your point is?
Not when he actually said that the building was dulling his senses. Can you even read?
Are you trying to say J'onn was stronger than Superman there?
😂
Why do you almost never respond to direct questions asked of you?
Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes, yes, this totally doesn't reinforce the fact that you're dodging a challenge and trying to save face. Oh, wait, it does. Dunning-Kruger and all.
Dodging? Your challenge is IDIOTIC. You can stop crying about it any day now. You Superman fans need to invest heavily in tissues and sanitary napkins.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dodging? Your challenge is IDIOTIC. You can stop crying about it any day now. You Superman fans need to invest heavily in tissues and sanitary napkins.
So not only are you a coward, but you actually think your pathetic excuses for avoiding the BZ are believable. Gotcha.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Aren't you the one making dares and talking shit anonymously? That's what a coward does. Feel safe behind your computer shield.
lol You're are a coward. Accept it. You're not making any good excuses to justify your dodging it, no matter how highly you think of yourself. You have no confidence whatsoever to debate in your own merits, and have to ride others' coattails. All bark, no bite and won't even bark without others backing him.
And since you're the one who has been throwing out "nerd" as soon as he does poorly in a debate, then has the "brilliance" to say I feel safe behind a computer, it's obvious you're the keyboard warrior. Keep leeching. Your ego screams for you to reply, because you know you'll lose but don't want to look like that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
lol You're are a coward. Accept it. You're not making any good excuses to justify your dodging it, no matter how highly you think of yourself. You have no confidence whatsoever to debate in your own merits, and have to ride others' coattails. All bark, no bite and won't even bark without others backing him.And since you're the one who has been throwing out "nerd" as soon as he does poorly in a debate, then has the "brilliance" to say I feel safe behind a computer, it's obvious you're the keyboard warrior. Keep leeching. Your ego screams for you to reply, because you know you'll lose but don't want to look like that.
Believe what you want to believe and **** your bullshit challenge, no excuse needed. Don't like it? Don't care. Find and different board to piss on and another poster to stalk.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Believe what you want to believe and **** your bullshit challenge. Don't like it? Don't care. Find and different board to piss on.
I just laugh at your desperate attempt to save face. Superman wins and I would own you like a $2 whore after her pimp finds out she hid money from him if we BZed this topic.
You try to proclaim victory because I haven't posted what you ask. It's quite obvious I have stuff you'll be hard pressed to counter if I'm willing to get a month banning if I lose and you don't have any real consequences for losing.
How about we sweeten the deal with some pineapples?
I remember Lobo giving Superman a beating. Same with Lar Gand, and Metallo (tapping into Earth's magnetic core). Ultraman has knocked him out before, same with Silver Banshee when she push him out of a sky scrapper and slammed him into the streets. Although with Silver Banshee I think it was the fall that knocked him out, lol.
If the Taurus incident counts for Thor, I don't see why Konvikt wouldn't count. The only difference is Thor was 2-shot KO'd and Superman was 1-shot KO'd.
Originally posted by One-Punch
I remember Lobo giving Superman a beating. Same with Lar Gand, and Metallo (tapping into Earth's magnetic core). Ultraman has knocked him out before, same with Silver Banshee when she push him out of a sky scrapper and slammed him into the streets. Although with Silver Banshee I think it was the fall that knocked him out, lol.If the Taurus incident counts for Thor, I don't see why Konvikt wouldn't count. The only difference is Thor was 2-shot KO'd and Superman was 1-shot KO'd.
There's context with Lobo, in regards to Eradicator's influence making him try to out-think instead of out-facepunch, and Lobo didn't actually win. The same writer had Superman stalemate Lobo in a later fight and simultaneously KO him and Lar Gand(bashing their heads together) later on. Not sure how many fights Supes and Lar have had, I've only seen two. Issue reference for Silver Banshee? I really doubt this was a physical win for her.
Originally posted by Delta1938
There's context with Lobo, in regards to Eradicator's influence making him try to out-think instead of out-facepunch, and Lobo didn't actually win. The same writer had Superman stalemate Lobo in a later fight and simultaneously KO him and Lar Gand(bashing their heads together) later on. Not sure how many fights Supes and Lar have had, I've only seen two. Issue reference for Silver Banshee? I really doubt this was a physical win for her.
With regard to Superman butting Lobo and Lar Gand's heads, there was no indication or any panels showing them unconscious. In fact, right after bashing their heads, he asked them both for an explanation of what was going on. That wouldn't make sense if they were knocked out. The scene switches, and a page later we see them standing with Superman having a conversation.
When Lar Gand fought Superman, they were even for a while, but Lar got the upperhand in the end and the narration implies Superman was about to be killed. But he inadvertently gets saved by Lobo, who also wants a piece of him.
The Banshee thing happens in Action Comics #662
Banshee chokes Superman out with her bare hands, but it was a surprise attack.
Then later, she grabs him, pushes him out of the Daily Planet, and slams him into the ground. Although this looks like the fall is what knocks him out, so it's iffy if it's physical.
(Had to remove your images because there were too many for my reply to go through)
Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't recall the Eradicator influencing Superman during his fight with Lobo. If anything, the Eradicator would've helped, since it made Superman cold and ruthless, and willing to kill (e.g., when he fought Draaga he was about to decapitate him with a big rock). I do remember Superman trying to brawl with Lobo and losing pretty badly, and even stating he couldn't outbrawl him.
Eradicator was influencing Superman at the time.
And the very idea of Eradicator having a poor effect on Superman was brought-up in the letters pages, and the editor practically confirmed it.
Originally posted by One-Punch
With regard to Superman butting Lobo and Lar Gand's heads, there was no indication or any panels showing them unconscious. In fact, right after bashing their heads, he asked them both for an explanation of what was going on. That wouldn't make sense if they were knocked out. The scene switches, and a page later we see them standing with Superman having a conversation.
That argument really is reaching. Finishing his sentence doesn't mean they weren't out, merely he was mad. Them being up and aware later doesn't prove anything unless you can prove nobody tried waking them up.
Originally posted by One-Punch
When Lar Gand fought Superman, they were even for a while, but Lar got the upperhand in the end and the narration implies Superman was about to be killed. But he inadvertently gets saved by Lobo, who also wants a piece of him.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. Superman definitively beat him, while handicapped, later on.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Here's how you beat a Herald in h2h. Valor was actually stronger than Superman at that point, was out to kill, Superman was asphyxiating and Valor used heat vision.http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar1.jpg
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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar5.jpgThat was a weaker, less experienced Superman. I will wait for a similar showing in h2h from Thor.
Unless you think Eclipso's control made Lar less effective, but he did just fine when he had Superman.
Originally posted by One-Punch
The Banshee thing happens in Action Comics #662Banshee chokes Superman out with her bare hands, but it was a surprise attack.
Then later, she grabs him, pushes him out of the Daily Planet, and slams him into the ground. Although this looks like the fall is what knocks him out, so it's iffy if it's physical.
Those are her "death voice," not her beating him physically. She doesn't even need to scream, just say your name. And "Superman," while not as effective as his actual name, worked. And actually the very page after your first example has Superman bring-up her voice can kill.
Also, forgot to ask where the Metallo example is from. Never heard of him doing anything like that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Also, forgot to ask where the Metallo example is from. Never heard of him doing anything like that.
In Public Enemies, he beat the living shit out of Superman in a short time. He did use his SSJ k-nite aura in one panel, though.
One-Punch meant something else, as he's mentioning the magnetic core thing. I have no clue, either.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In Public Enemies, he beat the living shit out of Superman in a short time. He did use his SSJ k-nite aura in one panel, though.One-Punch meant something else, as he's mentioning the magnetic core thing. I have no clue, either.
I'd also think any examples that use Kryptonite or red solar energy or anything like that are disqualified. But I know there was a point Metallo didn't have Kryptonite, so. shrug
Originally posted by Delta1938
(Had to remove your images because there were too many for my reply to go through)Eradicator was influencing Superman at the time.
And the very idea of Eradicator having a poor effect on Superman was brought-up in the letters pages, and the editor practically confirmed it.
It's the fan writing in that speculates that the Eradicator influenced Superman to make himself hold back. The fan fully admits this is just an assumption though.
e.g., the fan says..."I would tend to believe this assumption, but I think my belief is mainly due to the fact that I can't see Superman getting his head kicked in by a punk with a dolphin fetish!"
The writer's response was... "Lobo's power is to isolate (and penetrate) his opponent's weakness. This aspect of Lobo's power confused a number of our readers as they were puzzled over how Lobo gave Superman such a run for his money"
So according to the writer, it was Lobo's ability to isolate and penetrate his opponent's weakness that allowed him to beat-up Superman. The writer makes no mention of the Eradicator.
That argument really is reaching. Finishing his sentence doesn't mean they weren't out, merely he was mad. Them being up and aware later doesn't prove anything unless you can prove nobody tried waking them up.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. Superman definitively beat him, while handicapped, later on.Unless you think Eclipso's control made Lar less effective, but he did just fine when he had Superman.
Those are her "death voice," not her beating him physically. She doesn't even need to scream, just say your name. And "Superman," while not as effective as his actual name, worked. And actually the very page after your first example has Superman bring-up her voice can kill.
I was already iffy about this being physical. I don't think she used her voice when she choked him out though, granted it was a surprise attack.
Also, forgot to ask where the Metallo example is from. Never heard of him doing anything like that. [/B]
The fight was in Action Comics #710. Metallo didn't have kryponite, but he was tapping into the Earth's magnetic core via touching the ground. Superman couldn't physically budge him and was getting punched all over the place. He had to cut him off from his power source via waiting till Metallo climbed on top of a car, kick the car underneath him, and grab him in mid-air.
Here's pretty much the whole fight.
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Using comics from the 80s and 90s to determine Superman's level near the end of post-crisis is pretty weak. He had only tapped into his power a couple of times by then and only in the most extreme circumstances. By the 2000's he was drastically more powerful. Spin in a circle real fast and beat Darkseid powerful.
Lobo? Seriously?
In later comics Lobo doesn't even register as a threat to Kara, let alone Clark, who is seriously more powerful than her and let her know it.
Also, Konvict didn't knock anyone out. It was a Saturday morning cliffhanger moment at the end of the issue and everyone had an oh shit face, then in the next issue Superman stands up and starts fighting harder than before.
And Metallo was such a non-threat they eventually had to equip him with a rainbow of kryptonite colors, because he became such a basic badguy he would show up during other arcs just to get chumped in a page by Supes melting him, or throwing something at him, or hitting him with something. Like tossing a manhole cover. Like saying I don't have time for you, and tying him with a chain and spinning him like Thor does his hammer.
Back in these comics you're showing is a drastically different era for Superman. Pre-DoS, Superman struggled with speed of sound and struggled to lift tanks and shit.
The John Byrne era Superman, though I like reading the stories, was a terrible era in Superman's history. Probably his weakest canonically since the 40s.
Its known as the Era Supes went from 'always winning' to 'always losing'.
It was so bad a lot of this era was eventually wiped out of continuity, as they redid all these character first meetings and replaced that Superman's origin with Birthright.
It was around the time Morrison jumped on JLA that Supes' power starting shooting through the roof, and more and more as time went.
