Originally posted by Damborgson
Who said anything about fair? What I'm saying is, because of these stips, Thor loses a lot more than Superman does. The purpose of the thread, the results, they're not relevant. I'm saying that under these stips it's very hard for Thor to win, even 2/10. It's not a critique or a complaint, but an observation.
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Understood.
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so since this is essentially coming down to strength, durability, and fighting skill..I have to go with Thor here. I think they are close enough in strength and durability that skill the key, and that should go to Thor.Superman is not some unskilled fighter or anything like that, but I don't quite think he is as good as Thor though.
Superman has actually beaten martial artists.
Originally posted by Delta1938
General Lane made a deal with the chick who was in charge of the realm that was the source of all magick.So in other words, Thor is going to work really hard to get knocked the **** out again. Gotcha. Accept that Superman>>Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup.Not that I have a dog in the fight, but...
What about these rays?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right.What does that has to do with Gladiator knocking him out with two punches?
Both were due to magical weakness of Superman. And Anointed One didn't kill him. It was Gemnanae.
Not that any of that is relevant here.
Now it's a weakness all of a sudden? For as long as I can remember you tout that magic does not make him weak with all kinds of scan blitzes.. Now he's weak to magic because he got his @$$ handed to him?
Anyways... Different writers, different portrayals. I always believed he was never weak to magic, but more vulnerable.
Wait... Anointed One beat the shiet out of him.. He got beat up to death. Unless I missed something or read a different comic, you are wrong. I hope it's the former because you then would be lying.
Originally posted by Delta1938
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If Orion isn't beating Post-Mongul trained Superman hand-to-hand, I'm not seeing Thor do it.
The thing is Mongul never really showed any super amazing fighting skill. We know he trained Superman, but in some ways it seems like the training was more about utilizing his powers better as opposed to teaching him certain fighting styles. You could almost say Mongul was more or less attempting to slap the PIS right out of Superman with that training, but I don't think it made him that skilled. Since he actually remembers "hey super speed is a thing that exists" in that comic and uses it to easily avoid Monguls punches.
Originally posted by Surtur
The thing is Mongul never really showed any super amazing fighting skill. We know he trained Superman, but in some ways it seems like the training was more about utilizing his powers better as opposed to teaching him certain fighting styles. You could almost say Mongul was more or less attempting to slap the PIS right out of Superman with that training, but I don't think it made him that skilled. Since he actually remembers "hey super speed is a thing that exists" in that comic and uses it to easily avoid Monguls punches.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
[B]Just adding context to his fight with future Gladz.
Which doesn't makes Thor getting koed in two punches any better.
Now it's a weakness all of a sudden? For as long as I can remember you tout that magic does not make him weak with all kinds of scan blitzes.. Now he's weak to magic because he got his @$$ handed to him?
Where have I ever said that? Not all the writers agree on that.
Under Kelly he was quite susceptible to magic.
Anyways... Different writers, different portrayals. I always believed he was never weak to magic, but more vulnerable.
He was killed and staked later on in the comic.Wait... Anointed One beat the shiet out of him.. He got beat up to death.
And even Anointed one koed him in a large explosion off panel. Not exactly a h2h showing when they were matched evenly while fighting across world. And it's Anointed one's only showing. So not exactly a low showing if you have nothing else to compare it with.
Unless I missed something or read a different comic, you are wrong. I hope it's the former because you then would be lying.
I wish you read comics more carefully from now on. These are worthless.
When you can show an established herald koing Superman in h2h via sheer strength, Thor may get one win here out of 10.
Originally posted by Surtur
The thing is Mongul never really showed any super amazing fighting skill. We know he trained Superman, but in some ways it seems like the training was more about utilizing his powers better as opposed to teaching him certain fighting styles. You could almost say Mongul was more or less attempting to slap the PIS right out of Superman with that training, but I don't think it made him that skilled. Since he actually remembers "hey super speed is a thing that exists" in that comic and uses it to easily avoid Monguls punches.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which doesn't makes Thor getting koed in two punches any better.Where have I ever said that? Not all the writers agree on that. Under Kelly he was quite susceptible to magic. He was killed and staked later on in the comic.
And even Anointed one koed him in a large explosion off panel. Not exactly a h2h showing when they were matched evenly while fighting across world. And it's Anointed one's only showing. So not exactly a low showing if you have nothing else to compare it with.
I wish you read comics more carefully from now on. These are worthless.
When you can show an established herald koing Superman in h2h via sheer strength, Thor may get one win here out of 10.
Of course you do.
Anointed One not only ko'd him, he beat him to death. What, you're making the rules now? It shows that Superman is not some invincible unbeatable character like the one in your dreams. You are right. They seemed evenly matched in a battle that was most likely and predominantly a physical one. I mean come on. Superman punches things and takes punches in like 99% of his fights. The difference is he lost. Plus the last panel looks like the fight ended in a divebomb(so not physical lol). It's funny how you keep throwing around it has to be ONLY h2h or it doesn't count type of bullshiet. Yes in a perfect world that would be best, but this is comics brah. We are pitting 2 characters that have a multitude of super powers after all. You and your ridiculous stipulations.
Also does everything have to revolve around low showings for you? I'm not calling it a low showing. It's a valid loss to an evenly matched character. The insecurity of this guy.. Smh...
And you are wrong. Anointed One fought a seemingly amped Gamemnae. One panel actually shows Gam shattering his jaw with a punch taking him down.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again protecting innocents and holding back against a bloodlusted Gladz.Of course you do.
It doesn't matter at that point. It might have stopped Thor using full power at gladiator but it didn't lower his durability.
Simple as that.
Anointed One not only ko'd him, he beat him to death.No, he didn't.
He died by Gamnanae when she staked him along with all the other Leagures.
There is no indication or information that Superman was dead before that.
What, you're making the rules now? It shows that Superman is not some invincible unbeatable character like the one in your dreams. You are right.WTF are you babbling about now?
They seemed evenly matched in a battle that was most likely and predominantly a physical one. I mean come on. Superman punches things and takes punches in like 99% of his fights. The difference is he lost.Off panel with a huge explosion. Not a h2h fight.
Plus the last panel looks like the fight ended in a divebomb(so not physical lol).Divebomb that makes an explosion? Yeah, right?
It's funny how you keep throwing around it has to be ONLY h2h or it doesn't count type of bullshiet.Why not? This is a h2h fight, isn't it?
Yes in a perfect world that would be best, but this is comics brah. We are pitting 2 characters that have a multitude of super powers after all. You and your ridiculous stipulations.
Not in this thread. You can make a separate thread if you want.
Also does everything have to revolve around low showings for you? I'm not calling it a low showing. It's a valid loss to an evenly matched character. The insecurity of this guy.. Smh...Its a valid loss sure. Its a not a h2h fight and thus not qualified here.
And you are wrong. Anointed One fought a seemingly amped Gamemnae. One panel actually shows Gam shattering his jaw with a punch taking him down.
She was powered by entire league of ancients and had used quagmire spell at that point. Not to mention absorbed the entire magic of atlantis.
Its funny how little you know about comics and how they work.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't matter at that point. It might have stopped Thor using full power at gladiator but it didn't lower his durability.Simple as that.
No, he didn't.
He died by Gamnanae when she staked him along with all the other Leagures.
There is no indication or information that Superman was dead before that.
WTF are you babbling about now? Off panel with a huge explosion. Not a h2h fight. Divebomb that makes an explosion? Yeah, right? Why not? This is a h2h fight, isn't it?
Not in this thread. You can make a separate thread if you want.
Its a valid loss sure. Its a not a h2h fight and thus not qualified here.
She was powered by entire league of ancients and had used quagmire spell at that point. Not to mention absorbed the entire magic of atlantis.
Its funny how little you know about comics and how they work.
Wait what!? Take off your Superman blinders for a sec and read the comic again. The League Ancients' were tasked to kill them. One by one they all died in the confrontation except for Plas. Look at the scans again. Superman is lying lifeless with both eyes open. Do you know how pathetic you are right now? He was beaten to death. I know it must be excruciatingly painful for you, but accept it and move on. Be a big boy.
Of course it's qualified. It would be idiotic not to accept it.
No. Gamemnae was not yet powered by the whole League of Ancients since she was in the process of killing one(AO) right there. What is your point anyway? Are you trying to sound informed as proof that you know what you're talking about? You are bringing up irrelevant info. Your ruse is not working btw.
You already claimed he lost due to magical weakness and now you are trying to stick with another false claim. Do yourself a favor and let this one go. It's going to make you look even more ridiculous if you continue down this path.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm not denying he was taken out there. I was merely adding extra info. That of him holding back while keeping the girl's safety. Period, end of story.
The extra info is pretty worthless. So no, not the end of story.
You just want to obfuscate a very simple scene as something like "Thor held back his durability."
Wait what!? Take off your Superman blinders for a sec and read the comic again. The League Ancients' were tasked to kill them. One by one they all died in the confrontation except for Plas.Did they? Wonder Woman and Batman were not dead. J'onn wasn't dead. Wally wasn't dead. Only Kyle got his heart ripped out.
Look at the scans again. Superman is lying lifeless with both eyes open.That's what happen when you are koed too.
Do you know how pathetic you are right now? He was beaten to death. I know it must be excruciatingly painful for you, but accept it and move on. Be a big boy.Are you always this daft? Post a single panel where Superman was supposed to be dead by Anointed One's hands. One.
Of course it's qualified. It would be idiotic not to accept it.It really isn't. Go cry somewhere else.
No. Gamemnae was not yet powered by the whole League of Ancients since she was in the process of killing one(AO) right there. What is your point anyway?She had already absorbed Rama Khan and only two were remaining, Anointed One and Monitou. Rama Khan by himself was able to take on the whole league.
Are you trying to sound informed as proof that you know what you're talking about? You are bringing up irrelevant info. Your ruse is not working btw.
Simply making excuses will not work here.
You already claimed he lost due to magical weakness and now you are trying to stick with another false claim. Do yourself a favor and let this one go. It's going to make you look even more ridiculous if you continue down this path.
Haha, this is always how you whine? Superman's loss to Anointed One isn't valid for this thread.
My challenge still stands. Post a single herald beating Superman in h2h and Thor may get one win.
Untill then? Superman beat the holy hell out of him.
