Superman vs Thor: fist fight

Originally posted by abhilegend
The extra info is pretty worthless. So no, not the end of story.

You just want to obfuscate a very simple scene as something like "Thor held back his durability."

Did they? Wonder Woman and Batman were not dead. J'onn wasn't dead. Wally wasn't dead. Only Kyle got his heart ripped out. That's what happen when you are koed too. Are you always this daft? Post a single panel where Superman was supposed to be dead by Anointed One's hands. One.

It really isn't. Go cry somewhere else.

She had already absorbed Rama Khan and only two were remaining, Anointed One and Monitou. Rama Khan by himself was able to take on the whole league.

Simply making excuses will not work here.

Haha, this is always how you whine? Superman's loss to Anointed One isn't valid for this thread.

My challenge still stands. Post a single herald beating Superman in h2h and Thor may get one win.

Untill then? Superman beat the holy hell out of him.

Wtf? I don't know what bizzaro world comic you are reading, but nothing right is coming from you. Read it again. Like I said, the more you deny the more you'll look ridiculous. In fact if you don't believe me, ask one of your Superbuds. There's no way the scene can be interpreted any other way. Iirc, DC encyclopedia entry stated that the Ancients killed the JLA and not Gamemnae alone.

Your challenge? hysterical

Before you issue dumb challenges, learn how to read a comic first.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Held back his durability? No. Holding back while keeping the safety of an innocent a fight is a huge detriment. Pretty much common sense that for some reason escapes you.

You still haven't answered how that helps Thor when he got Koed by Gladiator in two punches? If he wasn't saving the girl, what would boost his durability?

Wtf? I don't know what bizzaro world comic you are reading, but nothing right is coming from you. Read it again. Like I said, the more you deny the more you'll look ridiculous. In fact if you don't believe me, ask one of your Superbuds. There's no way the scene can be interpreted any other way. Iirc, DC encyclopedia entry stated that the Ancients killed the JLA and not Gamemnae alone.

Does it? Then why don't you post it? Rest of your gibberish is worthless.

Your challenge?

Before you issue dumb challenges, learn how to read a comic first.

So you concede that Thor can't win a single fight here.

Here's how you beat a Herald in h2h. Valor was actually stronger than Superman at that point, was out to kill, Superman was asphyxiating and Valor used heat vision.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar5.jpg

That was a weaker, less experienced Superman. I will wait for a similar showing in h2h from Thor.

Regardless of whether she killed him or not, AO def KOed him.

Not that it matters. The dialogue in the story from Manitou specifically said if they had matched them in ferocity, the League would have won. Superman spent the entire fight trying to save civvies and talk AO down...

Originally posted by abhilegend
You still haven't answered how that helps Thor when he got Koed by Gladiator in two punches? If he wasn't saving the girl, what would boost his durability?

Does it? Then why don't you post it? Rest of your gibberish is worthless.

So you concede that Thor can't win a single fight here.

Here's how you beat a Herald in h2h. Valor was actually stronger than Superman at that point, was out to kill, Superman was asphyxiating and Valor used heat vision.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupesvsEclipsoLar5.jpg

That was a weaker, less experienced Superman. I will wait for a similar showing in h2h from Thor.

Here's the DCE entry for the Ancients. They "fought and killed" the JLA(except for Plas who survived for a few thousand yrs).
http://i.imgur.com/wjhxKVp.png

Lol. No. Superman is not the be all end all found in your wet dreams. Really idiotic to think he wins Thor has 0 chance. Thanos or SBP would win every single time. Supes? That's a resounding no.

See if you only would have started like this earlier, we could have gotten off on the right foot. Instead you always barge in with lowball tactics to put anyone pitted against Supes in a bad light.
Nice scans. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Regardless of whether she killed him or not, AO def KOed him.

Not that it matters. The dialogue in the story from Manitou specifically said if they had matched them in ferocity, the League would have won. Superman spent the entire fight trying to save civvies and talk AO down...

That may be the case since he's a hero and that may be his compulsion, but they knew going in that they were going to face a team who lived in a different time. More barbaric..
In fact they were briefed by J'onn telepathically regarding this before they engaged.

He didn't necessarily spend the entire time saving innocents. He was more mindful of them and looked as if he tried to take the fight away if they started to threaten lives. Bottom line is he was killed even though he knew his opponent was out to kill.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Come on Dark... You actually believe he wasn't beaten to death by AO? That was their mission. If you check it again the book went out of its way to show each Leaguer's death scene. One by one they were executed and culminated in the panel where Kyle heroically dies. I would post it but I'm too lazy.

That may be the case since he's a hero and that may be his compulsion, but they knew going in that they were going to face a team who lived in a different time. More barbaric..
In fact they were briefed by J'onn telepathically regarding this before they engaged.

He didn't necessarily spend the entire time saving innocents. He was more mindful of them and looked as if he tried to take the fight away if they started to threaten lives. Bottom line is he was killed even though he knew his opponent was out to kill.

To me, he looks dead. But you and I both know, unless it says clearly in the comic, 'Superman was killed by AO', this entire debate will never end with Abhi.

With regards to the mindset, Manitou says how their natures enabled him to craft their spell bringing them back to life. How some would have seen their relatively pacifist natures as a weakness, but in reality, it saved them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To me, he looks dead. But you and I both know, unless it says clearly in the comic, 'Superman was killed by AO', this entire debate will never end with Abhi.

With regards to the mindset, Manitou says how their natures enabled him to craft their spell bringing them back to life. How some would have seen their relatively pacifist natures as a weakness, but in reality, it saved them.

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I will concede that mindsetwise, Ancients prolly had an edge.

It doesn't take away from the initial question, which herald has beaten Superman in a fight.

Alongside DoS Doomsday, a forum ruling calling him a mere Low Herald sneer

Even after having a huge portion of his godly power drained from him by Balder, a beaten and shackled Thor somehow finds the strength to wreck many of Seth's soldiers and Grog the God Crusher.
http://i.imgur.com/cIOLXfx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNOMSbp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H6Usekr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vtQihhs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dNy4dsB.jpg

Some next level shiet right thurr.

^Loki did lend him some power iirc since Balder siphoned his and was almost turned to mortal.

Edit.. Just double checked.. It was an issue after that scene..
It was actually all Thor there vs Grog.

Originally posted by abhilegend
My challenge still stands. Post a single herald beating Superman in h2h and Thor may get one win.

Lol is this a serious request?

Do you honestly not think Superman's ever lost to a herald in hand to hand?

Unless you have some ridiculous stipulations as to what qualifies as hand to hand that right there is some crazy shit.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Already explained my points to you on that fight. Not going to keep repeating myself.

You mean you've just mindlessly repeated your opinions without any kind of proof?

Here's the DCE entry for the Ancients. They "fought and killed" the JLA(except for Plas who survived for a few thousand yrs).
http://i.imgur.com/wjhxKVp.png

Yes, they killed League. Not that they were killed on the same spot or Superman died by Anointed One.

By that page Plas should be dead too. This is just laughable at this point.

Lol. No. Superman is not the be all end all found in your wet dreams. Really idiotic to think he wins Thor has 0 chance. Thanos or SBP would win every single time. Supes? That's a resounding no.

So nothing but your mindless prattle? Why would Thor win a single fight here?

See if you only would have started like this earlier, we could have gotten off on the right foot. Instead you always barge in with lowball tactics to put anyone pitted against Supes in a bad light.
Nice scans.

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This is just lulzworthy.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Even after having a huge portion of his godly power drained from him by Balder, a beaten and shackled Thor somehow finds the strength to wreck many of Seth's soldiers and Grog the God Crusher.
http://i.imgur.com/cIOLXfx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNOMSbp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H6Usekr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vtQihhs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dNy4dsB.jpg

Some next level shiet right thurr.

Nothing special there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol is this a serious request?

Do you honestly not think Superman's ever lost to a herald in hand to hand?

Unless you have some ridiculous stipulations as to what qualifies as hand to hand that right there is some crazy shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's what I'm asking about. Without some context, he never loses h2h fights with another Herald level beings.

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If he does, it obviously means the opponent was not herald level, and everyone else is wrong (again, DoS Doomsday).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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If he does, it obviously means the opponent was not herald level, and everyone else is wrong (again, DoS Doomsday).

Kurse is a mid Herald here FFS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean you've just mindlessly repeated your opinions without any kind of proof?

Yes, they killed League. Not that they were killed on the same spot or Superman died by Anointed One.

By that page Plas should be dead too. This is just laughable at this point.

So nothing but your mindless prattle? Why would Thor win a single fight here?

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This is just lulzworthy.

Dark was right. You are so far gone in your Supes worship that you are blind to anything in front of you if it means that it puts him in any form of bad light. Read the comic ffs...

I thought you are the DC expert here. It was later revealed that Plas survived after being crushed. He lived on for 3000 yrs in scattered pieces across the Atlantic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Balder had halved Thor's strength. At that point Balder died and Thor was again at full power.
Nothing special there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol is this a serious request?

Do you honestly not think Superman's ever lost to a herald in hand to hand?

Unless you have some ridiculous stipulations as to what qualifies as hand to hand that right there is some crazy shit.

Other examples...

Konvict merked him with one punch. He was stunned/flash ko'd for a few moments lying on the ground with his eyes closed.

Male Cheetah overpowered him and made him pass out Iirc..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Balder had halved Thor's strength. At that point Balder died and Thor was again at full power.

Nothing special there.

That's what I'm asking about. Without some context, he never loses h2h fights with another Herald level beings.

Not true. Are you lying or misinformed? Tbh, I don't know which is worse because you get uppity if someone forgets what color Superman's shoes were in a comic.

Context =/= You not liking something and claiming it's invalid. If you don't think Superman has ever lost a fist fight with a herald level being why even bother entering threads like this?

There's literally scans about a page ago of the Annointed One killing him btw.

Originally posted by Surtur
The thing is Mongul never really showed any super amazing fighting skill. We know he trained Superman, but in some ways it seems like the training was more about utilizing his powers better as opposed to teaching him certain fighting styles. You could almost say Mongul was more or less attempting to slap the PIS right out of Superman with that training, but I don't think it made him that skilled. Since he actually remembers "hey super speed is a thing that exists" in that comic and uses it to easily avoid Monguls punches.

There was some actual Martial Arts skills given(statements and a showing) and we saw Mongul was teaching Superman to better fight with his powers, but that's not what I was referring to.

I had mentioned it, but not gone into detail, earlier with BAV. That Mongul's training was primarily about increasing Superman's powers because of the mental blocks.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG02.jpg

Mongul talks about Superman holding back, also stating, "you quell your rage!!"

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG04.jpg

Telling Superman to use his anger.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG05.jpg

Superman felt his powers surge.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG07.jpg

Mongul tells him to use his telescopic vision to confirm Warworld was destroyed. Superman says he can't look that far with Earth's atmosphere blocking it. Mongul says he can, he chooses not to.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG09.jpg

Lois narrates about Clark has talked about his concerns on his limits and weaknesses. And now the worry is about the opposite.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG12.jpg

Lois states Mongul's training is to make Superman "more super."

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Misc/DynamicNature/MongulTraining/SUPERMAN_V2_152-PG15.jpg

Clark talks about how he always instinctively holds back, and since his powers developed, the only time he ever didn't hold back was against Doomsday.

So, Superman's mind literally limited him, not just he doesn't hit as hard as he could. His mind suppresses his powers. Mongul's training was meant to get around that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not bad..

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Originally posted by Delta1938

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Lemme ask u... Did Anointed One from League of Ancients beat Clark to death? Just curious..