German Immigration

Thoughts on Germanys problem with illegal immigration and how it is not tolerated.

There is about 1 million illegals in Germany that if found are deported.

There is no birthright citizen ship.

This talks about their upcoming problems from Africa and other countries.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/germany-expects-up-to-750000-immigrants-in-2015/

What I am wondering is why a socialist country like Germany wants to turn away immigrants in need.

You know that Germany has a conservative lead government? And has had that for 10 years?

Also, your link doesn't work.

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Germany does take more than its fair share of both legal migrants and asylum seekers. There needs to be Europe wide agreement of what migrants and asylum seekers are entitled to in order to stop making some countries more appealing to immigrants than others.

Germany is at least in a strong economic position to shoulder the burden. Greece, who are taking in huge numbers relative to their population are buckling under the numbers due to their economy being in the toilet as well.

I'm moving to Germany.

Who's coming with me?

Already there, brobeans. Meet me in Bardock's house so we can drink all his beer and spezi.

Can you clarify what you mean by birthright citizenship? Children born in Germany generally are German citizens so long as one of their parents has been resident for a while.

Do you mean a system where just being born in the nation, regardless of circumstances or status of parents or even how long you were there, makes you a permanent citizen? If so, I don't think the lack of such an unusual law is something you can say is against socialist principles. It's a rather irrelevant thing to mention. Right or left wing, fully open birthright citizenship is a trait of the new world- i.e. the Americas and is more related to their attempts to populate the nation than any overarching political philosophy.

But in any case, as pointed out, Germany isn't really an example of a socialist country.

Not quite sure I understand your main question either- Germany is exceptionally welcoming to immigrants. It's why they take so many. The concern now is over the high volume and distribution, not the principle.

The big problem with EU immigration right now is that a lot of EU countries signed a legally binding agreement saying the first signed-up nation where an asylum seeker arrives is the country where they will find asylum. But as jaden says, that's doesn't exactly work in nations like Greece who can't possibly manage the influx, and who are now ignoring that law and moving asylum seekers on.

This has wider political ramifications- Germany is talking about altering the EU treaty to adapt to the new situation. The UK has been after treaty change for years to settle its own relationship issues with the EU, including immigration. Most nations have been against going through the hassle of treaty change just to keep the UK happy, but this creates an opening to settle everything.

Illegals found are automatically deported? Wow, well lets be more like Germany in that specific aspect. Anything is better then finding an illegal and saying "meh, you are free to go just pinky swear you won't kill a dude".

Originally posted by Surtur
Illegals found are automatically deported? Wow, well lets be more like Germany in that specific aspect. Anything is better then finding an illegal and saying "meh, you are free to go just pinky swear you won't kill a dude".

In the US it's more "you're free to go. Just pinky swear you'll work for a fraction of what a US citizen would work for so I can make more profits"

Originally posted by jaden101
In the US it's more "you're free to go. Just pinky swear you'll work for a fraction of what a US citizen would work for so I can make more profits"

Isn't it actually both? Though the people letting these illegals go aren't exactly the ones making large profits that I know of.

Originally posted by Surtur
Isn't it actually both? Though the people letting these illegals go aren't exactly the ones making large profits that I know of.

The people making money off the backs of cheap migrant labour don't really care if that migrant goes home and gets shot by another migrant or goes and kills someone so long as it's not them.

The people making the money from undocumented workers also have more power to affect immigration laws than either the immigrants or a normal citizen.

Haven't looked into the US situation but in the UK subsidiaries of large corporations employ huge numbers of illegal workers. Particularly food processing companies.

I would imagine certain sectors of the US service industries wouldn't function profitably without illegal immigrants.

I think we can all agree that Germany is inferior to the land of the Free and the home of the Brave in every conceivable way. Especially in fast food dining options.

I second the last part.

Originally posted by jaden101
The people making money off the backs of cheap migrant labour don't really care if that migrant goes home and gets shot by another migrant or goes and kills someone so long as it's not them.

You could say the same about the people who decided to release these people even though they are illegal.

The people making the money from undocumented workers also have more power to affect immigration laws than either the immigrants or a normal citizen.

This is why I've said we need to target these people as well. They need to pay people a fair wage so people here legally can work. But it doesn't excuse any type of violent action by illegals just because they have to work hard for shit pay. If they didn't want that they shouldn't of come here.

Haven't looked into the US situation but in the UK subsidiaries of large corporations employ huge numbers of illegal workers. Particularly food processing companies.

I would imagine certain sectors of the US service industries wouldn't function profitably without illegal immigrants.

And there in lies a big problem, we need a to find a way to where we are not so dependent on illegals to do our jobs. I'm not saying the illegal citizens are the only problem in this entire mess, we have some greedy ass people here who help continue the cycle.

Originally posted by Surtur
. But it doesn't excuse any type of violent action by illegals just because they have to work hard for shit pay. If they didn't want that they shouldn't of come here.

The problem is you're bundling the ones who come to work and do jobs for shit pay and conditions with ones who come to engage in criminal activity. I'm sure there are those who cross the border to join Hispanic gangs and get involved in violent crimes and drug trafficking etc but they will be vastly outnumbered by those who just want to work. Isn't that what America was built on, after all? Immigrants carving out a niche for themselves and making a better life? Each of the immigrant communities brought their own nefarious element as well. The Italians, the Irish, Russian, Chinese. It's strange that some are now almost celebrated as part of the American zeitgeist and others not. Their bad contingent are also always overwhelmingly outnumbered by law abiding people not just doing jobs many people wouldn't do but creating businesses as well. And a lot of them will have been 1st generation illegals or now descended from illegals.

Originally posted by Slay
I think we can all agree that Germany is inferior to the land of the Free and the home of the Brave in every conceivable way. Especially in fast food dining options.

They sell expensive cars.

Originally posted by Bentley
They sell expensive cars.

Originally posted by jaden101
The problem is you're bundling the ones who come to work and do jobs for shit pay and conditions with ones who come to engage in criminal activity. I'm sure there are those who cross the border to join Hispanic gangs and get involved in violent crimes and drug trafficking etc but they will be vastly outnumbered by those who just want to work. Isn't that what America was built on, after all? Immigrants carving out a niche for themselves and making a better life? Each of the immigrant communities brought their own nefarious element as well. The Italians, the Irish, Russian, Chinese. It's strange that some are now almost celebrated as part of the American zeitgeist and others not. Their bad contingent are also always overwhelmingly outnumbered by law abiding people not just doing jobs many people wouldn't do but creating businesses as well. And a lot of them will have been 1st generation illegals or now descended from illegals.

I just think the "America was built on this" is frankly outdated and just not as practical as it once was. Plus nobody is saying ban all immigration..or at least not me. I am all for legal immigration, I think America was built on that if you want to talk about America, it wasn't built for people to come in illegally and take jobs away from legal citizens by working for shit pay..thus allowing greedy ass people here to exploit them even more and thus it spreads and more and more places adopt those practices.

I am not saying every single illegal is a criminal, what I'm saying is I don't think allowing illegals to stay so they can have a better life is more important then protecting legal American citizens from any criminal element that might come in, EVEN if that element only represents a small amount of the total illegals, the taking of even one life because of this is utterly unacceptable. We have enough legal citizens committing crime, we don't need more. Especially when we have ANY city in this country willing to release these people and not deport them.

You frankly also don't get to call people whose very presence here is breaking the law.."law abiding" people because they are not abiding by the friggin law just by being here. You can say a majority aren't out raping and killing, but none of them are law abiding.

Originally posted by Surtur
I just think the "America was built on this" is frankly outdated and just not as practical as it once was. Plus nobody is saying ban all immigration..or at least not me. I am all for legal immigration, I think America was built on that if you want to talk about America, it wasn't built for people to come in illegally and take jobs away from legal citizens by working for shit pay..thus allowing greedy ass people here to exploit them even more and thus it spreads and more and more places adopt those practices.

I am not saying every single illegal is a criminal, what I'm saying is I don't think allowing illegals to stay so they can have a better life is more important then protecting legal American citizens from any criminal element that might come in, EVEN if that element only represents a small amount of the total illegals, the taking of even one life because of this is utterly unacceptable. We have enough legal citizens committing crime, we don't need more. Especially when we have ANY city in this country willing to release these people and not deport them.

You frankly also don't get to call people whose very presence here is breaking the law.."law abiding" people because they are not abiding by the friggin law just by being here. You can say a majority aren't out raping and killing, but none of them are law abiding.

Originally posted by Newjak
If you;re using such a strict definition for law abiding there probably aren't any law abiding citizens in this country. Because if you're definition of a law abiding citizen is any who is not breaking any law then I'm sure based on statistics there are none. Why because people litter, J-Walk, speed even if it only five miles above the speed limit, and etc.

Plus I bet lots of ppl here pirate some form of media (games/movies/music/comics). 😛