German Immigration

That's a huge aspect and a easy way to citizenship. How much easier should we make it?

Cross the border and get your social security as you cross from a vending machine with water and food?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who cares? You can come here illegally. And have a baby and get citizenship.

What about all the people that come legally and wait and pay for, Screw them right?

Illegal immigration is a massive problem because of how crappy our legal immigration is.

So we build a wall to fix the leeks then have massive immigration reform.

The wall would be a pointless endeavour. I guess it would give illegal immigrants jobs, so maybe not completely pointless. Massive immigration reform sounds really good though.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So we build a wall to fix the leeks then have massive immigration reform.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The wall would be a pointless endeavour. I guess it would give illegal immigrants jobs, so maybe not completely pointless. Massive immigration reform sounds really good though.

Still does not stop any and everyone who wants to here. Even with the most massive change in policy, there will still be law breakers.

How can a country be called a country without securing its borders?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Still does not stop any and everyone who wants to here. Even with the most massive change in policy, there will still be law breakers.

How can a country be called a country without securing its borders?

America has secure borders by international standards. Even if we were to erect a mountainous, impenetrable wall along the Mexican border, people would just come in boats. If the Mediterranean Sea can't keep migrants out of Europe, a wall won't keep them out of America.

A wall will do better then no wall.

It's like saying

"My computer runs better and is more secure without security firewalls, then ones that do."

We already have lots of border fences across most of our border with Mexico where it's feasible to build them. Have you thought about how difficult it would be to secure border cities?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
A wall will do better then no wall.

It's like saying

"My computer runs better and is more secure without security firewalls, then ones that do."

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's a bad comparison. How many countries can you point to that have the sort of border defenses that you're advocating?

I can think of one, it also fits very well in this thread, albeit a bit outdated.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's a bad comparison. How many countries can you point to that have the sort of border defenses that you're advocating?

It was a great comparison you are downplaying it.

We advertise for people to come here.

Your avoiding the issue.

Does Germany promise citizenship and entitlement for immigrants?

😂

But since when has she been relevant in this discussion, pretty easy when you border Canada.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It was a great comparison you are downplaying it.

We advertise for people to come here.

Your avoiding the issue.

Does Germany promise citizenship and entitlement for immigrants?

I'm not an expert in German immigration, nor did I pretend to be. I'm only discussing our immigration policy, since that's the ulterior angle of this thread.

Of coarse they do not, neither does Mexico or any European country.

Even our constitution is vague on it, and points to no one should be allowed citizenship based on a law broken.

What other system in the world rewards a gold nugget for robbing the bank?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's a terrible comparison because you're suggesting that the United States has abnormally low border security when the opposite is true. Most borders in the world are either porous and poorly controlled (ex: Afghanistan-Pakistan, Syria-Iraq, most African countries) or peaceful and relaxed (ex: US-Canadian border, borders in Europe). Borders that do have serious defenses are rare, and generally crop up in countries with dictatorships, or in critical points like Melilla or Gibraltar.

I'm not an expert in German immigration, nor did I pretend to be. I'm only discussing our immigration policy, since that's the ulterior angle of this thread.

So when did Bardock become an expert in U.S. Immigration? Your just as smart as him, it's not that hard to read about German immigration laws.

Not even Mexico offers citizenship to Americans unless you go through a 5 year process and pay a ton of money.

Why should people here, break the law and get a kid born here and then have all the rights as an American Citizen?

Does Mexico treat Americans well?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So when did Bardock become an expert in U.S. Immigration? Your just as smart as him, it's not that hard to read about German immigration laws.

Not even Mexico offers citizenship to Americans unless you go through a 5 year process and pay a ton of money.

Why should people here, break the law and get a kid born here and then have all the rights as an American Citizen?

Does Mexico treat Americans well?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'does Mexico treat Americans well?' Do you mean the Mexican government, the Mexican people? I know you like to focus on a few cases where Americans run afoul of Mexican corruption and ignore all the hundreds of thousands of Americans who vacation in Mexico without serious trouble.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So when did Bardock become an expert in U.S. Immigration? Your just as smart as him, it's not that hard to read about German immigration laws.

I wouldn't say I am an expert either. I assume I have read more about U.S. immigration than OV about German immigration, if alone because it's a much less discussed issue.

Maybe we should look at the root of the problem? Are we doing anything to try to make Mexico a place where the citizens actually don't want to flee to another country?