14th Amendment

Since we all know the 14th Amendment was made for black slaves brought here without their choice, to allow their children to be US Citizens.

We know that the framers did not have the intent to allow people who broke the law to come here and reap the legal benefits of its citizens.

The rest of the world does not allow illegal immigrants to come reap the rewards of illegal activity, including Mexico and any other Central American Country.

Its time we Amend the constitution since no one can stick to what it says and make it plainly state you do not get citizenship based on your parents breaking the law.

We don't need to amend it. We just need to INFORCE it.

True that

It's already been explained to you that that 'rest of the world' comment is not true. Incidentally, anyone born in Mexico, including to those there illegally, gets Mexican nationality and then citizenship at 18.

Ah yes, "punish the kids for the parent's actions."

I'm gonna have to stay that's a bad idea. The US has done great with immigration for a good while now, if someone was born here, that alone should not be a reason to toss them out and make them an effectiveless stateless individual, not when most in such circumstance become quite productive citizens.

The fear of immigrants is kinda silly to begin with, the fear of babies born and raised in US culture is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's already been explained to you that that 'rest of the world' comment is not true. Incidentally, anyone born in Mexico, including to those there illegally, gets Mexican nationality and then citizenship at 18.

People don't stick around in Mexico for 18 years to get citizenship, they come to the US 😆

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Originally posted by Bardock42
[b]"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." [/B]

Get your Euro-Socialism out of my America

Originally posted by Bardock42
[b]"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." [/B]

"and Subject to the jurisdiction of."

You like to slide over that...

Illegals are not subject to our jurisdiction other then to breaking our laws, which then will be deported.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
"and Subject to the jurisdiction of."

You like to slide over that...

Illegals are not subject to our jurisdiction other then to breaking our laws, which then will be deported.

So you admit that they are subject to the jurisdiction of the US. I guess it applies then.

It does not apply unless you think the framers thought "Gee Law breaking foreigners are now going to be citizens."

Do you get rewarded for breaking the law in Germany?

No. But a child born to parents who immigrated illegally didn't break any laws.

Sins of the father.

What planet do you live on?

They are using the baby to circumvent the law.

Since when did you start caring about babies?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sins of the father.

What planet do you live on?

They are using the baby to circumvent the law.

Since when did you start caring about babies?

Sins of the father? Are you ****ing kidding? How can you claim to care for the US when you hate everything it stands for? You understand that's what North Korea is doing, yes?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sins of the father? Are you ****ing kidding? How can you claim to care for the US when you hate everything it stands for? You understand that's what North Korea is doing, yes?

I believe in a country based on laws, not changing them based political voting and buying power.

They aren't changed though, your country has always been a country of immigration (much more lax than nowadays). The laws have been clearly that of birthright citizenship since before the twentieth century, heck, your president is required to be born within the countries borders.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I believe in a country based on laws, not changing them based political voting and buying power.

You seem to be based on what you *want* them to be, not what they are/have been, and what you want them to be doesn't seem very nice (or helpful to the country) to boot.

Heck, let's break it down, what difference is there between someone born to illegal immigrants and you, in any real practical terms?

They're born in our country, raised in our culture, know our language... they themselves will have broken zero laws and the only one their parents broken is a fairly minor one.... odds are I'm going to get along with them better.... they'll start out poor and have to work their way up, something occasionally known as the "American dream."

This is a country who's mostly descended from immigrants and has large populations of various immigrants. Excuse me for not freaking out for someone doing what tens of millions have done before.

This simply is not a pressing issue in the slightest. Indeed, if we decide for it to not be an issue and change the laws to allow naturalization of the parents, something the majority of Americans are in favor of, it becomes a *total* non issue.

When the majority of people in a democracy are for something that'll probably only help if it happens, we are not exactly talking an existential threat here.

Originally posted by Q99
Heck, let's break it down, what difference is there between someone born to illegal immigrants and you, in any real practical terms?

That's easy: his parents were legal citizens.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's easy: his parents were legal citizens.

I think that's Q99's point. The only difference is this tiny one.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I believe in a country based on laws, not changing them based political voting and buying power.

Exactly. The United States is a republic, afterall, which is ruled by law (the Constitution). IT's not a democracy like everyone stupidly thinks.