14th Amendment

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

It doesn't state "Born to American citizens", it just says "born". Why can't people respect the Constitution.

You are not respecting the people who wrote it at the time, they would be turning in their graves if they saw what was happening.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are not respecting the people who wrote it at the time, they would be turning in their graves if they saw what was happening.

It says "All persons born", not "All persons born except Mexicans born to undocumented immigrants". So I am fact am being respectful of the Constitution; you're the one being disrespectful of the framers and trying to imply that they meant something else.

Did you go back in time and ask them? Are you a wizard or something?

Edit: If you want to push for an Amendment that targets Mexicans sure, an Amendment is the way to go. Not your claims of knowing what the framers meant.

Its not Mexicans, don't you know this, do you know all the people coming up from Guatemala, and Central America? No one wants to settle in Mexico. They come here.

You don't have any rebuttal to breaking the law and then it being ok.

Yet "Mexicans" is often the word used and the target.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, - Emma Lazarus

Children born to undocumented workers didn't break any laws. Which is what we're talking about. You to want to deny them citizenship, despite the Constitution specifically granting it to them.

I don't want to deny them, I want to know who is coming into the country, legally.

Quit making this so simple.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think that's Q99's point. The only difference is this tiny one.

To you this is a tiny difference. For some, it is a huge difference. I think you know this.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To you this is a tiny difference. For some, it is a huge difference. I think you know this.

And I think you know that what I said is what Q99 meant.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I don't want to deny them, I want to know who is coming into the country, legally.

Quit making this so simple.

My error, you just want to throw their parents and by extension them out too.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And I think you know that what I said is what Q99 meant.

Oh, so when you said this:

Originally posted by Bardock42
The only difference is this tiny one.

You were just paraphrasing Q99 and that is not your actual position?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, so when you said this:

You were just paraphrasing Q99 and that is not your actual position?

Yes, at the time I was saying that I believe it was Q99's point that this is the only (in his estimation) tiny difference, and not an important one. I do, coincidentally, also agree that it is a tiny difference, and, like you said, I am aware that others think it is a big difference, but that was beyond the scope of my post, which, again, was paraphrasing Q99.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, at the time I was saying that I believe it was Q99's point that this is the only (in his estimation) tiny difference, and not an important one. I do, coincidentally, also agree that it is a tiny difference, and, like you said, I am aware that others think it is a big difference, but that was beyond the scope of my post, which, again, was paraphrasing Q99.

So what was the point of trying to distance yourself from the content of your post (by implying it was a paraphrase of Q99's position rather than a portrayal of your own) and then marrying right back up to it, right here?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So what was the point of trying to distance yourself from the content of your post (by implying it was a paraphrase of Q99's position rather than a portrayal of your own) and then marrying right back up to it, right here?

To clarify the reason why I posted what I posted, rather than a more complete discussion of my stance and my understanding of others' stances within the debate.

I like how some people have to go through a process just to become a legal citizen here, but others can just be legal by being popped out of a vagina belonging to an illegal.

Originally posted by Surtur
I like how some people have to go through a process just to become a legal citizen here, but others can just be legal by being popped out of a vagina belonging to an illegal.

Or popped out of a vagina belonging to a citizen. I agree with you. Citizens are made, not born! I think everyone, regardless of birth, should show that they are citizen material, like you and TI, you should all take a test to see if the US needs you, and if not, well, maybe Mexico takes you, but otherwise I guess it's the Pacific ocean.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or popped out of a vagina belonging to a citizen. I agree with you. Citizens are made, not born! I think everyone, regardless of birth, should show that they are citizen material, like you and TI, you should all take a test to see if the US needs you, and if not, well, maybe Mexico takes you, but otherwise I guess it's the Pacific ocean.

Who the fck are you btw? Some wanna be American?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who the fck are you btw? Some wanna be American?

Yes, exactly.

I'm considering same-sex-marrying B42, so he can become an American citizen in a short amount of time.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, exactly.

You know wanna bee's opinions mean literally nothing. You can't even get your own country in order.

Get your house in order before you want to fix ours.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Since we all know the 14th Amendment was made for black slaves brought here without their choice, to allow their children to be US Citizens.

We know that the framers did not have the intent to allow people who broke the law to come here and reap the legal benefits of its citizens.

The rest of the world does not allow illegal immigrants to come reap the rewards of illegal activity, including Mexico and any other Central American Country.

Its time we Amend the constitution since no one can stick to what it says and make it plainly state you do not get citizenship based on your parents breaking the law.

Let's use your standards, mkay.

Your argument is that the 14th Amendment is specifically designed for black people because they were forcefully brought to the USA.

Going by this logic, then the 14th Amendment should also apply to Mexicans, since much of what is the USA now was once Mexicos. And people had to leave and or not be owners of their own land without choice.

This just begs the question then, who can stay in the USA and be legal?

Anyways, you're so predictable. I made a reference to this a few days ago (which you ignored in that thread) now you're mentioning it