Originally posted by Surtur
I mean you don't have to like the character of Karate Kid, but saying "hey batman beat him" is about as ridiculous as one can get.Since no, I don't care. Doesn't matter. He's consistently so far above Batman it isn't even funny. Karate Kid is what little ninja's in Naruto pray to God they will be like when they grow up. He's also the reason so many ninja's are atheists, because once grown up they find...yeah, they don't even hold a candle to Val so all that praying was for nothing.
He is above Batman, but he is not invincible, is the point.
It may be that you and Endless Mike are just not aware of current Naruto and may think of him as a 'martial artist with copies, maybe a rasengan.' You know, stuff KK could definitely handle.
And not 'character who can play ping-pong with nukes.'
Naruto is not primarily a martial artist. He is a character that can wipe out a country in a matter of seconds, who also happens to be superfast/superstrong/and use martial arts (also, he does have supersenses that give him combat precog), but his jutsu is his primary weapons.
Naruto deflecting multiple nuke-blasts.
That's the kind of defense he has.
Naruto making a bigger explosion:
And the craters:
This is not max-power Naruto, he gets significant more powerful than this. He is capable of creating dozens of clones who can each do this.
Yes, Karate Kid can dodge Daxamites and such! I have noted so in the posts everyone keeps on skipping because 'they must be wrong.'
How is he going to dodge multiple kilometer-across explosions?
This is *very* different than dodging heat vision and other focused attacks.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Lol, what an autistic neckbeard, publicly showing everyone what a pussy permavirgin he is by getting mad over comic books.Karate Kid does win though. 👆
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The fact Val can react to Flash's at all proves he operates on another level of speed, anticipation or no.
The old argument that Val rarely shows Kryptonian level strength, speed, and durability power against non super powered opponents is a disingenious point, considering how the you see this with Superman vs streets or Spidey vs thugs all the time.
Originally posted by Q99
He is above Batman, but he is not invincible, is the point.It may be that you and Endless Mike are just not aware of current Naruto and may think of him as a 'martial artist with copies, maybe a rasengan.' You know, stuff KK could definitely handle.
And not 'character who can play ping-pong with nukes.'
Naruto is not primarily a martial artist. He is a character that can wipe out a country in a matter of seconds, who also happens to be superfast/superstrong/and use martial arts (also, he does have supersenses that give him combat precog), but his jutsu is his primary weapons.
Naruto deflecting multiple nuke-blasts.
That's the kind of defense he has.
Naruto making a bigger explosion:
And the craters:
How is he going to dodge multiple kilometer-across explosions?
This is *very* different than dodging heat vision and other focused attacks.
Flight ring. Things let Legionarres fly between planets. 🙂
Besides, who says Val won't simply KO Narato before he gets a chance to attack?
Originally posted by cdtm
Flight ring. Things let Legionarres fly between planets. 🙂
Flight rings don't do so fast enough to escape explosions. I think they have to be out of atmo to hit warp speeds as well.
Besides, who says Val won't simply KO Narato before he gets a chance to attack?
Because I just posted scans of Naruto deflecting nuclear-level blasts with his chakra. Val's not stronger than that.
Naruto also has combat precog due to sensing ability, is very super tough aside from his chakra shroud, has regen (like, 'stabbing him through the heart is not gonna be fatal' regen), and also likes to engage with dozens to hundreds of clones, each of which in turn can be capable of throwing and deflecting nuclear level attacks.
Naruto additionally has a number of 'truth seeking balls,' small orbs that he can reshape, that hover around him and move with a thought at very high speed. They erase matter and energy at a touch and can be used both offensively and defensively.
A single clone made by end of series Naruto is in likelyhood significantly stronger than the version who deflected those mountain smashing attacks there, by the way.
Naruto gets significantly powerful.
Originally posted by cdtm
Hat trick:Do you think Gai using the eight gate could beat Naruto?
Do you think he could fight on an evem level with any version of Superman?
My thoughts:
1) No, he couldn't, or at least not likely. The Six Path clones and powers are just too strong, the chakra cloak too protective. He could likely wound him significantly with 'Night Guy,' but actually beating is not something I see happening.
2) Maybe some lesser versions. I mean, Golden Age is nothing special.
He couldn't take on the stronger Supermen.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Doesn't Karate Kid beat up Kryptonians or something silly like that?
Not exactly. See, he can judo-throw them, he can redirect their blows, dodge their heat vision... but noteworthy, he neither hurts Kryptonians, nor takes their attacks. He can basically stalemate them as long as they don't fight in a cautious and smart manner, that's all.
And none of their attacks are giant explosions. Val does not have a good way to handle explosions.
First off I know what people in Naruto are capable of. Second, Karate Kid isn't invincible but he doesn't have to be invincible in order to defeat Naruto. It also should be said that just like Naruto isn't merely some martial artist neither is Val. He has negated earthquakes by tapping his foot.
Oh there are a wide variety of moves in Naruto that could f*ck up Val for good..if his opponent had time to use them. But the guy dodges speed force infused lightning *after* being hit by it. His reflexes are so hilariously above Naruto's it is not even funny. Okay it is a bit funny. Val does things that make utterly no sense in a universe where people can juggle planets. Towing a bunch of planets through space on a big cosmic chain seems more reasonable then some of the stuff Val has done just via space karate.
Originally posted by Surtur
First off I know what people in Naruto are capable of. Second, Karate Kid isn't invincible but he doesn't have to be invincible in order to defeat Naruto.
It would be nice if someone explained how he'd win and specifically how he'd handle various obstacles, instead of just insisting he would.
Like, how exactly is KK supposed to deal any damage? Runs into a chakra cloak, just like the nukeballs did.
And there's the matter of all the clones so he's highly unlikely to know which Naruto is real.
Oh there are a wide variety of moves in Naruto that could f*ck up Val for good..if his opponent had time to use them. But the guy dodges speed force infused lightning *after* being hit by it. His reflexes are so hilariously above Naruto's it is not even funny. Okay it is a bit funny.
Problem: Naruto has precog due to sensory abilities, and all his defensive powers like being covered in chakra. And Val has fast reflexes, he still takes time to move distances. Like, he doesn't start in HtH.
How is he going to avoid a shockwave? It's not even like lightning, one place at high speed, it covers a wide area. And Naruto can just make a shockwave from his body with chakra.
Karate Kid can damage metal PC Superboy had trouble damaging. Just how much protection do you feel this chakra cloak provides? Dude can also see the weak points in a variety of things(including force fields).
Also precog is moot if you're hilariously slower. Val has fast reflexes, and was capable of moving his body at such speeds he dodges speed force infused lightning. So it's weird to think he can't move at insanely fast speeds. He can move his body at highly fast speeds to avoid stuff, but otherwise moving his limbs incredibly fast is just off the table?
You can bring up clones, shockwaves, etc. but how is he doing any of this before Val crosses the distance? I admit it's been a while since I read Naruto, but I don't think the clones just come into existence automatically without any thought on Naruto's part.
For Val to lose we essentially have to say he can move his body at FTL speeds to avoid high speed attacks, but can't move his body at insane speeds to accomplish anything else. It'd be weird to compartmentalize his speed for no reason.
