Originally posted by Astner
That's his thing, like Batman, he doesn't have any superpowers. No shields, no chi or anything like that, he's just an exceptionally skilled martial artist.Edit. I just read Mike's psychotic breakdown on the first page of the thread. That dude has serious issues.
And, since he was quite insistent that he wasn't reading any responses (because he's sure they're stupid), it was merely in response to the idea *that* people were disagreeing.
Originally posted by Surtur
Hey at least you are aware he'd f*ckstomp Naruto with his high end shit. That's good enough for me, the acknowledgement KK has feats Naruto on his best day couldn't hope to accomplish.
At the same time, it doesn't solve the 'shockwave' problem.'
Sure, he can judo-throw a Kryptonian, which is really little use against a number of Naruto's battle strategies.
KK is uber but his uberness applies entirely in HtH. His feats are ones he'd only have a chance to apply if Naruto tries HtH-in-his-own-body-rather-than-clones on him.
Like, if he took on Cosmo Boy, Cosmo Boy is gonna win most of the time, because their flight rings are the same speed, Cosmo Boy is going to avoid HtH like the plague, and he's going to use his powers to trap KK and attack in ways that can't be solved with a judo throw or destroying something with a precise blow to a weak point.
Karate Kid can damage metal PC Superboy had trouble damaging. Just how much protection do you feel this chakra cloak provides? Dude can also see the weak points in a variety of things(including force fields).
A lot, those are the tails of the chakra cloak reflecting multiple mountain-busting attacks in the scan I posted, and there's another point where he simply kicks away a ball that erases most matter and energy at a touch (he himself can make and control balls like that).
It's like a living, pulsing field that Naruto can adjust, re-establish, etc.. He can form hands and arms of it, and extend their length and such. It normally takes KK a bit of time to locate the weak point of a force field, so it's a tricky prospect to say the least.
In the past, Naruto has just sent out a pure 360 wave of chakra to push opponents away, too. Not much to be done about that.
And he's still super-tough and regen-y under it. Naruto has healed from holes in his lungs you can stick an arm through, mid-fight.
Like, if KK found a weak point, punched it, then immediately followed through the hole he made and stabbing a finger through Naruto's throat (which itself assumes the weak point thing works on a super-durable person), then Naruto has, as a legit strategy choice, detonating a giant explosion point blank catching them both, and Naruto just withstanding the blast.
Also precog is moot if you're hilariously slower. Val has fast reflexes, and was capable of moving his body at such speeds he dodges speed force infused lightning. So it's weird to think he can't move at insanely fast speeds. He can move his body at highly fast speeds to avoid stuff, but otherwise moving his limbs incredibly fast is just off the table?
It doesn't normally work that way despite what you'd expect, no. That's comics for you.
I do want to emphasize that it doesn't matter if he could, because giant shockwave, game over, and Naruto will have time for those.
This is an image. Every one of those attacks has a multi-kilometer radius. One of 'em was used to destroy a gigantic tree that was calced at, iirc, 10 kilometers across.
You can bring up clones, shockwaves, etc. but how is he doing any of this before Val crosses the distance? I admit it's been a while since I read Naruto, but I don't think the clones just come into existence automatically without any thought on Naruto's part.
Val only covers distance as fast as a legion flight ring goes, and that is not that fast.
And then even if he arrives that fast, chakra cloak. Just going headlong without finding a weak point is like running into a wall. Naruto has plenty of time to act, and like I indicated above, 'getting critically wounded then mutual blowing up' is a win for Naruto. 'Doing an area attack while the opponent is focused on finding a weak point' also works.
Note also that one of Naruto's moves is moving so fast it gets compared to his dad's teleportation, and he used that to dodge A's lightning rush. He is not a slow person.
