Vegeta with rage boost vs Buutenks

Originally posted by carver9
They didn't have enough raw power and Vegeta and Goku doesn't either. I just looked at episode 5 again and here is Goku exact words.

"Damn, to become stronger you have no choice but to do a fusion with Vegeta. Still, my chances for winning would be very less".

Let me know if you want me to post screen shots. Anyways, Goku basically admitted a fusion would be nothing to Beerus and he's basing this off of the percentage Beerus displayed during his fight against Goku (remember, Z fighters can no sense God's power level). With that said, Vegito would probably get the same treatment the other Z fighters got (minus Vegeta rage boost of course).

You used the boys merge as confirmation for Vegeta and Goku merge not realizing that the boys had to train to become Super Saiyan 3.

They didn't have enough power to make the fusion powerful enough to allow the SSJ3 transformation, is what I meant. After all, it's a fusion between "only" FPSSJ1 and FPSSJ1 (at best - some would disagree they were FPSSJ1).

Goku and Vegeta bring much more to the table, seeing as it's a fusion between SSJ3 and SSJ2.

I do get what you're saying, though. And yes, Beerus seems to be in a league of his own compared to the Z series. One important thing to note is that the potara fusion is superior to the dance... and they had no earrings in BoG. So Goku must've meant Gogeta (not Vegito) not being enough to handle Beerus.

Yes, I'd love to see some screens 🙂 Please 😛

Again, the boys weren't as strong as their fathers, so going SSJ3 - even with the multiplier coming from their fusion factored in - would be freakin' hard or outright impossible. Always believed that they needed more power. And RoSat training gave them that power.

Bootenks wins.

Going by the manga, rage-boosted Vegeta could have been 10x> SSJ3 Goku, and never even approached the level of Bootenks(who was 2x> Mystic Gohan.)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Purple? Maybe it had something to do with him charging Galick Gun?

Just guessing, haven't seen the episode 😛

He was clearly charging the Galick Gun:

That's what I thought. Thanks.

Smh at carver.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bootenks wins.

Even though Goku tells us that even if he fused with Vegeta, he'd still never be able to beat 3-5% Beerus?

Because their fused state was a lot stronger than Buuhan, let alone Buutenks.

Going by the manga, rage-boosted Vegeta could have been 10x> SSJ3 Goku, and never even approached the level of Bootenks(who was 2x> Mystic Gohan.)

Mystic Gohan also got completely outshowed by this Vegeta.

Also, why would you consider Kid Buu/SSJ3 Goku to be inferior to Super Buu pre-Gotenks/Piccolo/Gohan? They should have the same power, and Kid Buu's unpredictability supposedly makes him even more dangerous.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Even though Goku tells us that even if he fused with Vegeta, he'd still never be able to beat 3-5% Beerus?

Because their fused state was a lot stronger than Buuhan, let alone Buutenks.

Mystic Gohan also got completely outshowed by this Vegeta.

Also, why would you consider Kid Buu/SSJ3 Goku to be inferior to Super Buu pre-Gotenks/Piccolo/Gohan? They should have the same power, and Kid Buu's unpredictability supposedly makes him even more dangerous.

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Goku knew Beerus only used a fraction of his power to beat him. I don't think he would compare Vegito to Beerus at the level he used to beat Goku. He estimated fusion wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus at all not Beerus at that level. Vegeta did not surpass Vegito. Not even close

Clearly he massively surpassed Majin Buu, SSJ3 Goku, and Mystic Gohan though. 👆

Yes but Gohan was possibly weaker than his Buu Saga self seeing as how in less than a year he dropped several magnitudes in power.

Vegeta did surpass Goku and Fat Buu but both of them were HUGELY inferior to SSJ3 Gotenks, Super Buu, Buutenks and Buuhan

Originally posted by juggerman
Yes but Gohan was possibly weaker than his Buu Saga self seeing as how in less than a year he dropped several magnitudes in power.

Vegeta did surpass Goku and Fat Buu but both of them were HUGELY inferior to SSJ3 Gotenks, Super Buu, Buutenks and Buuhan

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Goku was already more powerful than Gotenks by a large degree a year or so earlier.

Goku was never above Gotenks until after he went SSJG. Before that he was considered equal only to SSJ1 Gotenks and that was in his SSJ3 form.

It should also be noted that was before Gotenks trained in the time chamber so it's likely he further eclipsed SSJ3 Goku

I'm with bran, I think Goku could slap Gotenks around a year or so earlier as well.

Originally posted by juggerman
Goku was never above Gotenks until after he went SSJG. Before that he was considered equal only to SSJ1 Gotenks and that was in his SSJ3 form.

It should also be noted that was before Gotenks trained in the time chamber so it's likely he further eclipsed SSJ3 Goku

At the absolute least he was equal to Gotenks.

And that's actually direct, not speculation based on statements on a power not yet seen or a throwaway line when Goku was still kind of hiding SS3 from Vegeta. Though what happened back then is irrelevant anyway considering even if he was behind, he more than caught up.

Originally posted by juggerman
Goku knew Beerus only used a fraction of his power to beat him. I don't think he would compare Vegito to Beerus at the level he used to beat Goku. He estimated fusion wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus at all not Beerus at that level. Vegeta did not surpass Vegito. Not even close

This is wrong. Goku didn't know what Beerus used. Beerus last words to Goku before attacking him was "now let me show you the power of a god". Let's not make up things here.

Pft, at this point Vegeta fusing with Goku would weaken him.

I guess this will be "Vegeta master race" until Frieza gets resurrected and shows these monkeys how training is done.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
SS Goku one shotted someone who Gotenks couldn't put down with many attacks in base and SS form.

At the absolute least he was equal to Gotenks.

And that's actually direct, not speculation based on statements on a power not yet seen or a throwaway line when Goku was still kind of hiding SS3 from Vegeta. Though what happened back then is irrelevant anyway considering even if he was behind, he more than caught up.

Who did Goku one shot?

Originally posted by carver9
This is wrong. Goku didn't know what Beerus used. Beerus last words to Goku before attacking him was "now let me show you the power of a god". Let's not make up things here.

It isn't wrong. As I said Goku could clearly see Beerus didn't use a fraction of his power by the way he easily stomped him. That's why his Vegito statement seemed more like a guess than a outright fact. I haven't made a thing up. That's more your style 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Bootenks wins.

Going by the manga, rage-boosted Vegeta could have been 10x> SSJ3 Goku, and never even approached the level of Bootenks(who was 2x> Mystic Gohan.)

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He was clearly charging the Galick Gun:

Originally posted by juggerman
Yes but Gohan was possibly weaker than his Buu Saga self seeing as how in less than a year he dropped several magnitudes in power.

Vegeta did surpass Goku and Fat Buu but both of them were HUGELY inferior to SSJ3 Gotenks, Super Buu, Buutenks and Buuhan

Originally posted by bbrem123
There was absolutely no indication that Mystic Gohan was weaker than his Buu Saga self. They showed him going into his mystic form which means he is the same power as before.

Which is why i said "possibly". I didn't hinge my argument on it just pointing it out as a possibility

Originally posted by Galan007

Going by the manga, rage-boosted Vegeta could have been 10x> SSJ3 Goku

Wow, more reasons why I'm starting to dislike DBS.

Does AT even give a shit at this point?