Originally posted by Galan007
No worries. 👆RB Vegeta was definitely > SSJ3 Goku, but I don't think the difference was anything but marginal, tbh... Or at least it wasn't implied to be. /shrug
It's a stupid concept, but Hyper!Vegeta did do a *lot* better against Beerus, not just a little.
That being said, thinking on it, I might have to agree Buutenks could win--might depend on how log Vegeta's rage lasts.
Originally posted by Kento
16x ssj3 Gokou, like about two years ago. We've seen how fast Gokou and Vegeta can improve in just a year. ssj2 Gokou and Vegeta were equals. So, in DBZ Gokou is 4x Stronger. That probably really doesn't change at all, because Vegeta never goes ssj3.So in a year that 16x probably goes down considerably. Gokou has probably become at least Super Buu level at full power as we've seen him get more than 20x more powerful from Radditz to Vegeta (400 to 8,000), and in months 12x from Vegeta to fighting Captain Ginyu (8,000 to 90,000). After that, power levels kind of fade away. So, 2 years, 8x stronger isn't very hard to believe.
So it's completely possible that Rage Boost Vegeta is at the very least Mystic Gohan levels, or between Mystic and Buutenks.
You'd have a point if this theory wasn't proven wrong in the Cell Saga. The Saiyans can only train their bodies so much before they plateau. Vegeta spending years and years in the time chamber didn't allow him to surpass Goku and Gohan and they didn't even use the full year. And Vegeta likely wasn't even Cell Games Gohan strong until the Majin boost yet he trained for 7 years. The only reason Goku became so much stronger is because he was able to train in Otherworld where his natural limitations could be surpassed because he didn't have a living body.
It's been established that training with a partner is what got them the gains in the Cell Saga(Goku and Gohan). Training alone isn't as good. Neither Goku nor Vegeta have been training with a partner in this gap so it is unlikely they grew much stronger.
I know they had massive gains in the Namek arc but that basically stopped as soon as they got back to Earth. Guess they reached the point where they needed different training to keep growing
Originally posted by AstnerAll we know is that Godly cannot be sensed by mortals. That's why only Gods/Kaio/Kaioshin can sense Beerus and Whis.
Speaking of which. Has the nature of divine ki been revealed yet?
Originally posted by NewGuy01I think that was more due to Beerus not being prepared for such a massive gain in power, given that he'd previously owned Vegeta with no effort whatsoever. IOW, Vegeta caught him off-guard initially, then Beerus was like: "Holy crap, I actually have to power up a little bit against this guy!" /shrug
It's a stupid concept, but Hyper!Vegeta did do a *lot* better against Beerus, not just a little.That being said, thinking on it, I might have to agree Buutenks could win--might depend on how log Vegeta's rage lasts.
Yeah, I definitely don't think RB Vegeta possesses the means to incapacitate Bootenks... Tbh, Boo's Kamikaze Ghosts alone would give him hell.
Originally posted by juggerman
You'd have a point if this theory wasn't proven wrong in the Cell Saga. The Saiyans can only train their bodies so much before they plateau. Vegeta spending years and years in the time chamber didn't allow him to surpass Goku and Gohan and they didn't even use the full year. And Vegeta likely wasn't even Cell Games Gohan strong until the Majin boost yet he trained for 7 years. The only reason Goku became so much stronger is because he was able to train in Otherworld where his natural limitations could be surpassed because he didn't have a living body.It's been established that training with a partner is what got them the gains in the Cell Saga(Goku and Gohan). Training alone isn't as good. Neither Goku nor Vegeta have been training with a partner in this gap so it is unlikely they grew much stronger.
I know they had massive gains in the Namek arc but that basically stopped as soon as they got back to Earth. Guess they reached the point where they needed different training to keep growing
Vegeta never achieved ssj2 in those 7 years, but he didn't seem too care about Dabura's power level, thinking he could defeat someone on Cell's level. And yes, Vegeta is cocky about power. But usually he knows when he can win.. It just happens then they transform and beat him so he most definitely got a lot stronger and was Cell level before Majin Boost.
Originally posted by carver9Not really. Beerus only mentioned having to use 10% of his power, because it had evidently been a long time since he had to use that much energy against an opponent.
Something would've been mentioned during the fight if be had to boost his power. Nothing was said.
This certainly doesn't mean he wasn't using 5-8% against SSJ3 Goku... Especially when you consider how impressed Beerus and Whis were with his power. If he were using less than 1%(like you say), he wouldn't have been impressed at all.
Originally posted by Kento
Vegeta didn't spend years and years. He spent two years. And we don't really know how much Vegeta improved in the second year because, we see Gokou fight, and then Gohan. He wasn't as strong as Gokou sure, but there is no way to know exactly how much weaker he was. Its never even mentioned and just thrown to the side.Vegeta never achieved ssj2 in those 7 years, but he didn't seem too care about Dabura's power level, thinking he could defeat someone on Cell's level. And yes, Vegeta is cocky about power. But usually he knows when he can win.. It just happens then they transform and beat him so he most definitely got a lot stronger and was Cell level before Majin Boost.
He did spend a few years in it. There were ten days before the Cell Games. Piccolo took a day and Trunks did too I think. Possibly one other person did as well and Vegeta demanded he use the rest. Now arguing he wouldn't use it the day of for obvious reasons, that leaves between 6 and 7 days he used it. 6-7 years and still was not as powerful as the others
He was unimpressed by Dabura because he felt stronger in Super Perfect Cell and Gohan. He was also playing annoyed to further his cause in gaining the Majin Boost. He specifically stated he allowed Babadi to see the evil in him. That was all part of the plan.
But even if he did make it to Cell level, it took him around 14 years to do so including the time chamber training. And that would have been a boost of maybe 2-3x at most.
Originally posted by juggermanIt was stated you can't use the room more than twice though.
He did spend a few years in it. There were ten days before the Cell Games. Piccolo took a day and Trunks did too I think. Possibly one other person did as well and Vegeta demanded he use the rest. Now arguing he wouldn't use it the day of for obvious reasons, that leaves between 6 and 7 days he used it. 6-7 years and still was not as powerful as the othersHe was unimpressed by Dabura because he felt stronger in Super Perfect Cell and Gohan. He was also playing annoyed to further his cause in gaining the Majin Boost. He specifically stated he allowed Babadi to see the evil in him. That was all part of the plan.
But even if he did make it to Cell level, it took him around 14 years to do so including the time chamber training. And that would have been a boost of maybe 2-3x at most.