Mexican Culture not good for America
Jorge got destroyed here. He didn't even have his facts straight, and he accepted corrections on the spot from Ann.
"Mexican's are fleeing Mexico because of the culture because of honor killings, paying bribes to officials, uncles raping nieces."
Alright, a few questions:
1) How is deporting the undocumented ones here now, as the vast majority of them are regular people tying to make a living, a solution?
2) How would you feel if cops started coming up to you and asking for proof of your citizenship? Because that's the main purpose of "sanctuary cities", not whatever you imagine.
3) While we don't really have "open borders", what's your solution here?
Originally posted by Robtard
[B]Alright, a few questions:1) How is deporting the undocumented ones here now, as the vast majority of them are regular people tying to make a living, a solution?
What does the fact they are trying to make a living have to do with anything though? Wanting to make a decent living doesn't give one the right to break the law.
2) How would you feel if cops started coming up to you and asking for proof of your citizenship? Because that's the main purpose of "sanctuary cities", not whatever you imagine.
So you are saying the main purpose of a Sanctuary City is to make it so people who are here illegally..don't have to prove they are here legally?
Plus whatever the main purpose is, if the "laws" in these cities can be used to set illegals free(like Kate Steinle's killer) they need to be done away with. So strict laws need to be put in place that say under NO circumstance is an illegal in custody to be set free. Can you at least agree with that statement?
Originally posted by Surtur
What does the fact they are trying to make a living have to do with anything though? Wanting to make a decent living doesn't give one the right to break the law.So you are saying the main purpose of a Sanctuary City is to make it so people who are here illegally..don't have to prove they are here legally?
Plus whatever the main purpose is, if the "laws" in these cities can be used to set illegals free(like Kate Steinle's killer) they need to be done away with.
Because it shows that they're trying to achieve what used to be touted as the "American Dream" and are not the raping burden on society/economy some love to claim.
No, I'm saying what I said. A sanctuary city is a city where random cop can't come up to random person and ask for proof of citizenship status, just because.
You're taking a few unfortunate situations and using it to encompasses the masses. The Steinle death was due to incompetence of people. Not some "sanctuary cities let violent criminals go if they're illegal"
Originally posted by Robtard
Because it shows that they're trying to achieve what used to be touted as the "American Dream" and are not the raping burden on society/economy some love to claim.
But all this is irrelevant. Wanting to achieve the American Dream does not give one license to break the law.
If they should be allowed to break the law in order to make their life better..why can't I break the law in order to make mine better?
You're taking a few unfortunate situations and using it to encompasses the masses. The Steinle death was due to incompetence of people. Not some "sanctuary cities let violent criminals go if they're illegal"
You say it is incompetence, so I'm guessing every single person involved in the Steinle thing was fired over it? The entire department should of been replaced if we are just chalking it up to incompetence. Otherwise they are just inviting that to happen again.
You're taking 'border crossing' as being the same as something like robbery. You're blindly ignoring the differences and the fact they contribute more to the economy than take. But hey, they're "criminals!". Regardless that America is a country built on people immigrating.
Last I read (when it happened), the different departments where pointing the finger at each other and there was take of an investigation. But agreed, those responsible should in the very least lose their jobs, if not be held up on charges. But as it relates to how you passed it off, how is this the fault of the regular undocumented worker?
Originally posted by Robtard
You're taking 'border crossing' as being the same as something like robbery. You're blindly ignoring the differences and the fact they contribute more to the economy than take. But hey, they're "criminals!". Regardless that America is a country built on people immigrating.
But nothing you said here changes the fact that merely wanting a better life does not give one license to break the law. IF it is okay for them to break the law why is it not okay for me? Saying "well the law they are breaking isn't that bad" is a cop out to me. It has to be an all or nothing thing, if it's okay for one group to break the law under the guise of bettering their life it. They don't get a pass because they come from a shitty country or because they work for crappy pay.
Bottom line is: if people here illegally can get a pass for breaking the law then the people here legally sure as hell should be given the same pass. People shouldn't get to say "well it's okay if this group breaks THIS law in order to better their life, but it is not okay if this other group breaks this other law in order to better their life".
Last I read (when it happened), the different departments where pointing the finger at each other and there was take of an investigation. But agreed, those responsible should in the very least lose their jobs, if not be held up on charges. But as it relates to how you passed it off, how is this the fault of the regular undocumented worker?
But then this just shows the problem. They point fingers at each other and..well, seems like nobody got punished. Which means a similar incident could quite easily happen again. Yet if it did happen again and the victims family decided to sue the city over it...I'm sure they'd be spewing out all kinds of excuses for why they shouldn't have to pay.
I'm not blaming the undocumented worker for Kate Steinle. I'm rather just saying that as long as even 1 innocent person might be killed due to these Sanctuary cities..they need to be done away with. The quality of life for people from Mexico is less important then the safety of even a single lone legal citizen.
We have enough crime from legal citizens. Also keep in mind: these places have the nerve to think they can ignore federal law, but also feel they are entitled to continue to receive government funding.
Originally posted by Robtard
Alright, a few questions:1) How is deporting the undocumented ones here now, as the vast majority of them are regular people tying to make a living, a solution?
2) How would you feel if cops started coming up to you and asking for proof of your citizenship? Because that's the main purpose of "sanctuary cities", not whatever you imagine.
3) While we don't really have "open borders", what's your solution here?
600k crimes a year just in Texas is a small majority? Or did you forget coming here illegally was a crime in itself?
How about the Mexicans stay in their own country and fix their problems instead of coming here and having us fix them?
When was it an act of honor to abandone your own country instead of staying and fixing it?
Edit: To Surtur,
Again, you're looking at this as black-white and ignoring all the context.
People do get passes in the legal system all the time in America. The imbalances of white-collar crime, harsher punishments for minorities, wealth acting a shield etc. It literally happens all the time.
Yeah, a similar incident could. But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater should there be a turd in the bowl, or however that saying goes.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
600k crimes a year just in Texas is a small majority?cor did you forget coming here illegally was a crime in itself?How about the Mexicans stay in their own country and fix their problems instead of coming here and having us fix them?
You ever went faster than the speed limit, criminal?