Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Failed Socialist State is what our Dems are trying to turn us into. So in their way, places like Mexico is a success. [/B]
Yea they don't really know what they want, they just want they can have at the moment, they don't think about the future, or about how almost every socialist country has failed.
Anyone remember Greece?
And look at this, now they are getting flooded with thousands of migrants, like they can handle this problem😂
Originally posted by Robtard
Alright, a few questions:1) How is deporting the undocumented ones here now, as the vast majority of them are regular people tying to make a living, a solution?
2) How would you feel if cops started coming up to you and asking for proof of your citizenship? Because that's the main purpose of "sanctuary cities", not whatever you imagine.
3) While we don't really have "open borders", what's your solution here?
1. If someone came and squatted in your home without your permission, but he mowed the grass, should he be allowed to stay legally even if you didn't want him their?
2. I get asked by DHS and CBP the time when traveling, I'm ok with it.
3. We do have open borders. What would you call a border without a wall, closed? Do you leave your front door open at home?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
1. If someone came and squatted in your home without your permission, but he mowed the grass, should he be allowed to stay legally even if you didn't want him their?2. I get asked by DHS and CBP the time when traveling, I'm ok with it.
3. We do have open borders. What would you call a border without a wall, closed? Do you leave your front door open at home?
1) I don't even have a lawn rn (it's gravel). But that's a silly analogy.
2) Stop. You're the guy that talks about "big government" all the time. Hell, I'm still waiting for Jade Helm to end on Sept 26th so Obama can declare marshal law and declare himself forever king. What I'm saying, you'd freak out if random police officer can up to you and asked you to provide proof of citizenship status
3) We have fences, we have signs declaring unlawful entry, we have check points, we have border patrols etc. So no, it's not "open borders". It's just not giant walls armed with robotic sentry guns in some dystopian-like isolationist setting (does make for good scifi though)
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Fences and signs keep the honest people out.Why do you lock your door at night?
Might as well get ride of all laws then.
Because of safety/criminal elements, even though I live in an area with extremely low rates of crime. But it's not because "the Mexicans are coming".
Interesting numbers on Obama's deportation.
http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Interesting numbers on Obama's deportation.http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/
"America is expelling illegal immigrants at nine times the rate of 20 years ago; nearly 2m so far under Barack Obama, easily outpacing any previous president,"
Kind of goes against your previous complaints about Obama, no?
Originally posted by long pig
Mexican culture created the shit hole that is Mexico. Don't bring it over here.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Exactly
Remember that most of the guns in the Mexican drug war are American, and America is the biggest market for Mexican drugs and drugs smuggled through Mexico.
This is an interesting article. I didn't realize Mexican gun laws are so strict. It shows how devastating it can be to have a neighbor awash with guns.
We conservatively estimate that about 2.2 percent of total demand for U.S.-sold firearms originated south of the border between 2010 and 2012. These weapons are often bought in the U.S. through "straw man" purchases, who acquire arms on behalf of others with the intention of being trafficked to Mexico. This translates into at least $127 million dollars in revenue for gun retailers and weapons manufacturers who are literally making a killing. More importantly, it is the equivalent of an annual average of 252,000 guns crossing the border, far above previous estimates based on seizure data. In other words, the roughly 37,000 guns seized at the border by U.S. and Mexican authorities in 2009 probably represents less than 15 per cent of total traffic.
2.2 percent doesn't sound like much until you consider just how many guns are sold in America. And if you consider a big gun shop (like a Bass Pro gun section) that can have 100+ guns, it's sort of staggering that a handful of those guns--statistically--might end up being used by Mexican gangsters.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/made-in-the-usa-the-role-of-american-guns-in-mexican-violence/274103/This is an interesting article. I didn't realize Mexican gun laws are so strict. It shows how devastating it can be to have a neighbor awash with guns.
2.2 percent doesn't sound like much until you consider just how many guns are sold in America. And if you consider a big gun shop (like a Bass Pro gun section) that can have 100+ guns, it's sort of staggering that a handful of those guns--statistically--might end up being used by Mexican gangsters.
You should read about Operation Fast and Furious.
blaming america for mexico's problems just because their cartels are being armed with american weapons is sort of silly to me. that's just supply and demand at work. it's not like the cartels wouldn't exist without american guns... that's just currently the easiest way for them to strap up.
american guns are smuggled into mexico because they are easier to come by here than it would be to make them down there
just like south american cocaine is smuggled into america because it is easier to get by growing it down there than here. where as pot is often grown domestically in indoor grow ops.
so if you use the gun trafficking that happens to blame america for mexico's problems then you might as well go ahead and blame colombia for chicago's problems as well... cause that's about the same thing.