10% Bills vs Super Vegetto

Originally posted by Galan007
During the Boo-era, Super Boo was ~8x> SSJ3 Goku.

I feel the evidence for this is shaky at best. Why would Super Boo be ~5x stronger than Kid Boo before absorbing the Z-fighters?

Bootenks was ~2x> Super Boo. Boohan was ~2x> Bootenks. Vegetto was at least 2x> Boohan. As a point of reference: I'd put rage-boosted Vegeta somewhere between Super Boo and Bootenks-level.

Considering how you've hyped up the 2x power difference, this hardly seems accurate with the fights tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I feel the evidence for this is shaky at best. Why would Super Boo be ~5x stronger than Kid Boo before absorbing the Z-fighters?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Considering how you've hyped up the 2x power difference, this hardly seems accurate with the fights tbh.

Anyway, look at the fights again: they were all one-sided shit-stomps.

Oh, and repost:

Originally posted by Galan007
You guys need to remember: Toriyama himself has offically stated that Beerus=10, and SSJG Goku=6. This means SSJG=60% Beerus.

So even if we assume SSJG was 2x more powerful than Vegetto, it still puts Vegetto around the level of 30% Beerus. Just saying...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I feel the evidence for this is shaky at best. Why would Super Boo be ~5x stronger than Kid Boo before absorbing the Z-fighters?

Originally posted by Galan007
Says the guy who is wanking the bejesus out of Beerus? Lol?

The relevance of this is beyond me. The Beerus fights have been much more one-sided than any of the Boo fights. If those are 2x differences than the Beerus fights would be more. Conversely, if the Beerus fights are 2x differences than the Boo fights are less. Either way.

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This just ties back in to the 2x thing. Goku was nothing to Beerus, clearly, but you're not really outing that up as an 8x difference. What's different?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This just ties back in to the 2x thing. Goku was nothing to Beerus, clearly, but you're not really outing that up as an 8x difference. What's different?

I have only reiterated the 2x concept because in DB, that is more than enough for the battles to be completely lopsided... Which is a perfectly valid point.

As I recall though, Goku never said anything about SSJ1; if he had an inkling of Super Boo's power he would know SSJ1 would not be nearly enough.

Also, just for my curiosity, what are Goten's/Trunk's best individual showings?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
As I recall though, Goku never said anything about SSJ1; if he had an inkling of Super Boo's power he would know SSJ1 would not be nearly enough.

Also, just for my curiosity, what are Goten's/Trunk's best individual showings?

The boys' best showings were covered extensively here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f104/t613176.html

I see.

Wasn't Goku also hiding his true power at that point? Because clearly SSJ3 at full power should be much stronger than Fat Boo.

Yes. Goku later admitted that he could have beaten Fat Boo as a SSJ3, but he wanted to give the younger generation a chance to defend Earth(he's a dick like that, lol.)

This doesn't mean SSJ Gotenks still wasn't stronger than him, however.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes. Goku later admitted that he could have beaten Fat Boo as a SSJ3, but he wanted to give the younger generation a chance to defend Earth(he's a dick like that, lol.)

This doesn't mean SSJ Gotenks still wasn't stronger than him, however.

It doesn't necessarily mean that, but it also is pretty fair evidence that Goku wasn't being honest.

He wasn't being honest about his own power. But had he been bluffing about Gotenks' power, we would have been made aware of such at some point in the series. We weren't. Therefore, it is only fair/logical to take Goku's statement(s) about Gotenks at face value.

SSJ3 Goku was superior to Mystic Gohan. Rage Vegeta was farrrr superior to SSJ3 Goku. Beerus was bored with everything Vegeta attempted to do to him.

So you guys think Vegetto can dismiss a character far superior to Mystic Gohan with a casual slap?

Originally posted by bbrem123
SSJ3 Goku was superior to Mystic Gohan. Rage Vegeta was farrrr superior to SSJ3 Goku. Beerus was bored with everything Vegeta attempted to do to him.

So you guys think Vegetto can dismiss a character far superior to Mystic Gohan with a casual slap?

SSJ3 Goku was never above Mystic Gohan up until the end of Z. Nothing at all shows Goku exceeding those levels in Super until he get SSJG. Gohan however was confirmed to have gotten weaker. It is speculation as to if he was weaker when he fought Beerus but all signs point to yes

Not only was Vegetto far and away stronger than Goku, but he was to Mystic Gohan as well. It is likely he could tool Gohan just as easily

Yeah, Mystic Gohan definitely got 20 times weaker before BoG.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, Mystic Gohan definitely got 20 times weaker before BoG.

We can't know for sure how much he dropped. BoG happened 5 years after Z right? He dropped significantly between BoG and RoF and that was only 1-2 years. Logic tells us he most likely dropped a bit in those 5 years too

Retaining only 5% of his former strength is a bit severe for a bit. Especially when you have the mystic form, which was supposedly an unlocking of potential.

I agree he's dropped significantly btw, I'm just not even close to being onboard with your numbers.

What numbers?

When Beerus arrived where did it mention Gohan was weaker? It didnt. Goku was shown to be superior to Mystic Gohan in the movie and the show.

And Vegeta surpassed them both by a large margin.

All of this is based of actual context. You cant just start assuming Gohan was weaker when it was never mentioned. His Mystic form is his full potential. If he was any weaker he would not be able to reach this form.

Originally posted by juggerman
Not only was Vegetto far and away stronger than Goku, but he was to Mystic Gohan as well. It is likely he could tool Gohan just as easily

Originally posted by bbrem123
When Beerus arrived where did it mention Gohan was weaker? It didnt. Goku was shown to be superior to Mystic Gohan in the movie and the show.

And Vegeta surpassed them both by a large margin.

All of this is based of actual context. You cant just start assuming Gohan was weaker when it was never mentioned. His Mystic form is his full potential. If he was any weaker he would not be able to reach this form.

Yep. The downplaying in these threads lately has been ridiculous. People making up crap.