Originally posted by bbrem123
When Beerus arrived where did it mention Gohan was weaker? It didnt. Goku was shown to be superior to Mystic Gohan in the movie and the show.And Vegeta surpassed them both by a large margin.
All of this is based of actual context. You cant just start assuming Gohan was weaker when it was never mentioned. His Mystic form is his full potential. If he was any weaker he would not be able to reach this form.
When was it needed to? It was mentioned later that Gohan not training is what dropped his power. What would have more of a drop 5 years of not training or 2? Just because it wasn't mentioned then don't make it any less true.
Large margin is speculation
I didn't assume a thing. It was stated that Gohan not training caused him to lose most of his power. You are ignoring canon for your own benefit. Not cool
Originally posted by bbrem123
Vegetto never showed the ability to own somebody to that degree. Again with the speculation.
He doesn't need to show it specifically for us to know. He never showed he could bust a moon either. Guess you think Roshi is more powerful too huh? Would it also be a speculation that Vegetto could planet bust?
Originally posted by bbrem123Just knowing Gohan's character and it being two years after Z is enough to know he's weaker. And actually, Gokou wasn't shown to be superior. ssj3 Gokou was beaten by a tap against a calm Biils, while Gohan was beaten by having Buu smacked into him by a angry Bills.
When Beerus arrived where did it mention Gohan was weaker? It didnt. Goku was shown to be superior to Mystic Gohan in the movie and the show.And Vegeta surpassed them both by a large margin.
All of this is based of actual context. You cant just start assuming Gohan was weaker when it was never mentioned. His Mystic form is his full potential. If he was any weaker he would not be able to reach this form.
AT most he surpassed Gokou and Gohan by 10x. That's great and all. But he and Gokou would have literally had to have been billions of times stronger than he was against Kid Buu for that to even matter. And in 2 years, that isn't happening at all.
Originally posted by bbrem123Vegetto only fought, and toyed with, Buuhan. The most powerful being ever in DBZ. Vegetto would handle the Z fighters just as easily. Vegetto never even showed his real power either.
Vegetto never showed the ability to own somebody to that degree. Again with the speculation.
Originally posted by carver9Downplaying what? That someone combined of Vegeta and Gokou is stronger than 10x Gokou? Vegeta could have been 3-10x ssj3 because we don't know what Bills was using against Gokou. Either way even at the top end thats less power than what him fused with Gokou would be at.
Yep. The downplaying in these threads lately has been ridiculous. People making up crap.
Originally posted by carver9
👆Beerus has been owning people with a touch. No one has done anything like that to powerful opponents.
Funny coming from the guy that claimed Beerus used less than a percent of his power against Goku with nothing at all to back it up.
Or how about the time you claimed Burter moved during Guldo's time freeze? 😂
Originally posted by juggerman
When was it needed to? It was mentioned later that Gohan not training is what dropped his power. What would have more of a drop 5 years of not training or 2? Just because it wasn't mentioned then don't make it any less true.Large margin is speculation
I didn't assume a thing. It was stated that Gohan not training caused him to lose most of his power. You are ignoring canon for your own benefit. Not cool
Which episode was this said about Gohan power?
Originally posted by juggerman
Funny coming from the guy that claimed Beerus used less than a percent of his power against Goku with nothing at all to back it up.Or how about the time you claimed Burter moved during Guldo's time freeze? 😂
Lol...what does any of this have to do with what I said and I still back my statement about Beerus using less than a 1% since we did not receive any type if confirmation that he powered up.
Originally posted by carver9
Which episode was this said about Gohan power?
It was said in RoF
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...what does any of this have to do with what I said and I still back my statement about Beerus using less than a 1% since we did not receive any type if confirmation that he powered up.
Prove that his walking around power is less than 1%
Originally posted by juggerman
It is up to you since you are the one claiming Beerus' walking around power is less that 1%.
Thats the thing though...we only hear about Bills upping his power once and that was against Vegeta. Before that, we received no kind of confirmation where he had to up his power or increase his power level. You have to remember, a small percentage of power from one being could put them far above someone that is using 100% of his power. Example, Super Saiyan 3 Goku wouldn't have to use a percentage of his power to take out Recoome.
Originally posted by carver9
Thats the thing though...we only hear about Bills upping his power once and that was against Vegeta. Before that, we received no kind of confirmation where he had to up his power or increase his power level. You have to remember, a small percentage of power from one being could put them far above someone that is using 100% of his power. Example, Super Saiyan 3 Goku wouldn't have to use a percentage of his power to take out Recoome.
But you are assuming he walks around at less than a percent as his normal power instead of say 2% or 5%. If he always walked around at 5% then then there would be no need to power up against someone who wasn't even a match for that 5%. Just Like Frieza was using around 3% against Vegeta and Goku(at first). There was no need to power up past that 3% against Vegeta since Vegeta was no match against that 3%.
Originally posted by juggerman
But you are assuming he walks around at less than a percent as his normal power instead of say 2% or 5%. If he always walked around at 5% then then there would be no need to power up against someone who wasn't even a match for that 5%. Just Like Frieza was using around 3% against Vegeta and Goku(at first). There was no need to power up past that 3% against Vegeta since Vegeta was no match against that 3%.
Frieza used less than 3% during his first run in with Vegeta. He used 0.025% of his power. Then he upped it again which still wasn't a percentage of his power (his first transformation)...and then he fought Goku in his final form only using 1% in the beginning (per his words) and upped if again to 50%. Using Frieza is the perfect example of this because he started off using less than 1% of his power (his first form paled in comparison to his final form that was thrashing the Z fighters while using 1% of his abilities).
Bills didn't up his power because there was no need to. Again, we received conformation that he amped up against Vegeta (and even then, he took Vegeta out with a finger touch) but we received nothing beforehand of him amping.
Originally posted by carver9
Frieza used less than 3% during his first run in with Vegeta. He used 0.025% of his power. Then he upped it again which still wasn't a percentage of his power (his first transformation)...and then he fought Goku in his final form only using 1% in the beginning (per his words) and upped if again to 50%. Using Frieza is the perfect example of this because he started off using less than 1% of his power (his first form paled in comparison to his final form that was thrashing the Z fighters while using 1% of his abilities).Bills didn't up his power because there was no need to. Again, we received conformation that he amped up against Vegeta (and even then, he took Vegeta out with a finger touch) but we received nothing beforehand of him amping.
I'm referring to when Frieza was in his final form. Another example would be Perfect Cell. He didn't need to power up to dispose of Vegeta. Or Fat Buu didn't need to power up to bolo stomp Gohan and Kai. Doesn't mean they did so with less than a percent. You are acting as if this is a fact when it is far from it
Originally posted by juggerman
I'm referring to when Frieza was in his final form. Another example would be Perfect Cell. He didn't need to power up to dispose of Vegeta. Or Fat Buu didn't need to power up to bolo stomp Gohan and Kai. Doesn't mean they did so with less than a percent. You are acting as if this is a fact when it is far from it
We knew when Fat Buu powered up just like we knew when Cell powered up just like we knew when Bills powered up. I don't get your point.
Originally posted by carver9
We knew when Fat Buu powered up just like we knew when Cell powered up just like we knew when Bills powered up. I don't get your point.
So Perfect Cell not powering up to pwn Vegeta means he used less than a % of his power to do so? Buu not powering up to damn near kill Gohan means he almost killed him with less than a % too?