10% Bills vs Super Vegetto

The Gohan situation in RoF is VASTLY different than it is in BoG.

Again, I restate: The mystic transformation unlocked Gohan's potential power. Gohan letting his training slip (which by this point is unproven) only affects his skills so long as he can access the mystic form. Which he can't in ROF.

Vegito.....

Originally posted by juggerman
So Perfect Cell not powering up to pwn Vegeta means he used less than a % of his power to do so? Buu not powering up to damn near kill Gohan means he almost killed him with less than a % too?

We knew how powerful Cell was because Trunks was in awe of his power. His final form>>>his previous incarnations.

We knew how powerful Buu was since Gohan was in awe of his power when he exited the ball.

Now Bills on the other hand tells us when he powered up and the ONLY time we get confirmation of this was during his Vegeta fight.

Originally posted by carver9
We knew how powerful Cell was because Trunks was in awe of his power. His final form>>>his previous incarnations.

We knew how powerful Buu was since Gohan was in awe of his power when he exited the ball.

Now Bills on the other hand tells us when he powered up and the ONLY time we get confirmation of this was during his Vegeta fight.

Krillin and Gohan were in awe of first form Frieza too. Your argument is that Beerus didn't "power up" and therefore we should know his power was less than a %. But Cell and Buu didn't power up yet you don't use this logic for them.

Beerus didnt not power up until Vegeta. No real way to tell how much power he was using beforehand though. imo

Exactly. We have no clue if he was using 1% or 5% or 0.000000000001%

For carver to just assume he was like Frieza, even tho Frieza has a reason to do so and Beerus does not, is wishful thinking. I think he just wants to try to make SSJG Goku way more powerful than we have reason to believe he is

Even if he was at 10% though. He was not using the full extent of that 10%. Not even close to it. imo

His fight with everybody reminded me of first form frieza vs nail.

Beerus shit stomps

Originally posted by bbrem123
Even if he was at 10% though. He was not using the full extent of that 10%. Not even close to it. imo

His fight with everybody reminded me of first form frieza vs nail.

Yes good point

Originally posted by juggerman
Yes good point

Do you not understand what he is saying though?

Originally posted by juggerman
Krillin and Gohan were in awe of first form Frieza too. Your argument is that Beerus didn't "power up" and therefore we should know his power was less than a %. But Cell and Buu didn't power up yet you don't use this logic for them.

Buu and Cell did power up.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you not understand what he is saying though?

He said Beerus using 10% was still well above Vegeta

Originally posted by carver9
Buu and Cell did power up.

Not for the instances I was referring to. I'm not sure I remember Fat Buu ever powering up at all. I know Cell did. Buutenks didn't power up against Gohan either

Originally posted by juggerman
He said Beerus using 10% was still well above Vegeta

Not for the instances I was referring to. I'm not sure I remember Fat Buu ever powering up at all. I know Cell did. Buutenks didn't power up against Gohan either

Reread what he said. Beerus powered UP to 10% but didn't even use close to that amount to defeat Vegeta. Looking at it, it could be argued that he didn't even use a percentage of that power since he did take Vegeta out with a TOUCH. That's when he powered up to 10%. Before this, he effortlessly took everyone out in the same manner. This is before his 10% charge up. Everything leans to what I am saying as being legit.

Question, him taking Vegeta out with a touch, how much of that 10% did he use against him?

Buu came out of the shell at full power.

Cell final form was>>>>all of his previous forms. He didn't need to power up because he was already at the power he needed to be at.

Do you get it now?

Buutenks was already at his complete power when he fought Gohan.

Beerus doesn't fit any of this.

I really think Frieza is a the best example of guaging how much power he really used. imo

Originally posted by bbrem123
I really think Frieza is a the best example of guaging how much power he really used. imo

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Originally posted by carver9
Reread what he said. Beerus powered UP to 10% but didn't even use close to that amount to defeat Vegeta. Looking at it, it could be argued that he didn't even use a percentage of that power since he did take Vegeta out with a TOUCH. That's when he powered up to 10%. Before this, he effortlessly took everyone out in the same manner. This is before his 10% charge up. Everything leans to what I am saying as being legit.

Question, him taking Vegeta out with a touch, how much of that 10% did he use against him?

Buu came out of the shell at full power.

Cell final form was>>>>all of his previous forms. He didn't need to power up because he was already at the power he needed to be at.

Do you get it now?

Buutenks was already at his complete power when he fought Gohan.

Beerus doesn't fit any of this.

I know he powered up to 10% but to argue that he powered up to 10% from less than a percent without anything to back that up is silly. He could have powered UP to 10 from 9. Or 8. Or 3.497. You have no evidence he was below 1% at all yet you claim it like it's a fact.

No idea how much power he used but it wasn't a lot.

Exactly, Buu was at full power at all times. So not powering up does not automatically mean a character is pulling a "Frieza"

And Beerus was already at the power he needed to be at to pwn everyone. And that power he needed to be at could have easily been 5%. Hell we do know Cell was probably between 60% and 80% at all times before he actually powered up for SSJ2 Gohan. We know this because SSJ2 doubles the users power and if Cell were using 50% of his power than him and Gohan would have been equals. And we also know after doubling his power Gohan still stomped a full power Cell so Cell's hidden power was less than double the power he was using.

Anyway with all that said we can see Cell's "walking around and owning fools" power was over 50%. Why can't Beerus' be 5%?

You know what else doesn't fit Beerus? Holding back all but a fraction of a percent of his power due to not being able to control it very well. That was specifically a Frieza thing. Beerus has no reason to do the same thing when him at 1-5% is more than enough.

To be fair, Beerus has to hold back all but a fraction of his power as to not accidentally destroy the entire universe.

Originally posted by carver9
Buu came out of the shell at full power.

When Fat Boo initially hatched, both Goku and Vegeta were entirely unimpressed by the ki they sensed from him... Hell, even Gohan wasn't overly impressed:
http://i.imgur.com/fXcgXBF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k14iSus.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4xMH9ds.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pyHRqDJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fExndRb.jpg
...Which means Boo was well below SSJ2-level at first.

However, when Boo got pissed and attacked Dabra shortly afterward, his power skyrocketed to well above those levels--enough to make the Z Fighters quake in their boots:
http://i.imgur.com/U6muNmo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zpVo4bN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ra0rENk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2QLVefX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WQSBE7U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VWpfjgD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lUcuPrQ.jpg

And aside from it being flat-out stated that Boo's power increased massively, we also saw him 'power up' right before attacking Dabra--that's what the steam-release indicates:

JHC Carvell.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, no.

When Fat Boo initially hatched, both Goku and Vegeta were entirely unimpressed by the ki they sensed from him... Hell, even Gohan wasn't overly impressed:
http://i.imgur.com/fXcgXBF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k14iSus.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4xMH9ds.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pyHRqDJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fExndRb.jpg
...Which means Boo was well below SSJ2-level at first.

However, when Boo got pissed and attacked Dabra shortly afterward, his power skyrocketed to well above those levels--enough to make the Z Fighters quake in their boots:
http://i.imgur.com/U6muNmo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zpVo4bN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ra0rENk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2QLVefX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WQSBE7U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VWpfjgD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lUcuPrQ.jpg

And aside from it being flat-out stated that Boo's power increased massively, we also saw him 'power up' right before attacking Dabra--that's what the steam-release indicates:

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I'm alright with that.