Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wait, Hulk is a human altered by radiation. Thing, a human affected by cosmic rays and Spiderman, a human altered by a radioactive/mutant/whatever spider bite. They are very similar to each other in terms of them being ordinary humans that got altered by something giving them powers. Are they all non human?

According to juggerman only the Hulk is non-human, because he goes through a personality shift. IOW per juggy the thing that actually makes one a non-human isn't being mutated, it's having a change in personality.

So everyone that has a mental disorder that changes their personality should now be classed as non-humans, or sub-human if you prefer.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wait, Hulk is a human altered by radiation. Thing, a human affected by cosmic rays and Spiderman, a human altered by a radioactive/mutant/whatever spider bite. They are very similar to each other in terms of them being ordinary humans that got altered by something giving them powers. Are they all non human?

And Captain America has more in common with Hulk (being an altered human himself) than he does to BW and Hawkeye. So how can you say only Hulk and Thor are the only non-humans when Cap actually fits this criteria, too.

Then I remember you saying tha mutants are "close" to humans and that is why Xavier can affect them, but somehow Xavier cannot affect non-humans. And you give Hulk as an example of non-human even tho he is just a human mutated by radiation?

So mutants are very close to humans even tho they're not but Xavier can affect them but Hulk is a non human and Xavier cannot affact non humans?

Not calling you out, but am genuinely curious what your justification for these comparisons are. Cuz it looks like your criteria is all over the place....

I never considered Hulk a human. Banner and Hulk are seperate enities as far as I know. I think of Hulk kinda like Etrigan in DC. I know Hulk isn't a demon and there's no magic involved but I've always seen Hulk as an actual monster that Banner tries to hold back. I don't mean a figuative monster, I mean an actual not human monster.

Maybe a better example would be Angel from the Buffy series. In that universe, when a person becomes a vampire, even tho they retain their memories and suchn they are not that person anymore. Their body is now controlled by a demon that believes they are that person but eviler i guess. When Angel got his soul back, he was in control of the vampire body. His demon counterpart Angelus was a completely seperate being and occasionally took control.

Anyway, I always saw Hulk as something like that. Not human but sharing the body of a man. That's why I see Hulk as different from the other examples.

Originally posted by Silent Master
According to juggerman only the Hulk is non-human, because he goes through a personality shift. IOW per juggy the thing that actually makes one a non-human isn't being mutated, it's having a change in personality.

So everyone that has a mental disorder that changes their personality should now be classed as non-humans, or sub-human if you prefer.

Yup that's what I said verbatim

Originally posted by Silent Master
By claiming that having a personality shift makes the Hulk non-human...just like all those people with MPD and possibly those with bipolar disorder. LOL!!!

Never said that's what made him non human. Keep trying tho, you'll eventually get one I'm sure

You used his personality shift as an example of how he was different than the Thing, who also has a "monsterish" form. therefore it isn't the Hulk's form that makes the him non-human, it's the personality shift.

Thus according to you, everyone that has a mental disorder that effects their personality is now non-human.

Yup that's what surely meant 👆

I know it is.

Yup good job. Hulk is now equal to The Thing and Spiderman in all ways while simultaneously being equal to any and all peoples with multiple personality disorder making them all utterly not human. You da man! 🙄

They are all mutated humans, but according to you only the Hulk is an actual non-human because of his shift in personality.

Thus all people that have conditions that effect their personality can now be classified as non

No they all are non humans, including people with multiple personality disorder too!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by juggerman
I never considered Hulk a human. Banner and Hulk are seperate enities as far as I know. I think of Hulk kinda like Etrigan in DC. I know Hulk isn't a demon and there's no magic involved but I've always seen Hulk as an actual monster that Banner tries to hold back. I don't mean a figuative monster, I mean an actual not human monster.

Maybe a better example would be Angel from the Buffy series. In that universe, when a person becomes a vampire, even tho they retain their memories and suchn they are not that person anymore. Their body is now controlled by a demon that believes they are that person but eviler i guess. When Angel got his soul back, he was in control of the vampire body. His demon counterpart Angelus was a completely seperate being and occasionally took control.

Anyway, I always saw Hulk as something like that. Not human but sharing the body of a man. That's why I see Hulk as different from the other examples.

But one's mental state does not determine their level of humanity. And Hulk is just a man who became a much bigger/stronger man with massive anger issues and a diminished mental capacity. Your version of the Hulk just doesn't make sense.

I mean Dark Phoenix was a completely different personality of Jean Grey and Logan has been known to rage up like the Hulk. Are they non human mutants now?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
But one's mental state does not determine their level of humanity. And Hulk is just a man who became a much bigger/stronger man with massive anger issues and a diminished mental capacity. Your version of the Hulk just doesn't make sense.

I mean Dark Phoenix was a completely different personality of Jean Grey and Logan has been known to rage up like the Hulk. Are they non human mutants now?

I see what you are saying. I really don't have an issue with Hulk being considered a altered or mutated human, I just never saw him that way.

I always saw Hulk as quite literally "the other guy". Not just a mental state, but a compeletly different being. Another example from Buffy-verse would be Glorificus(don't know why I have Buffy on the brain). Her and that guy shared and body and could transform back and forth but they weren't the same being. Again I know this is different from Hulk but I'm just trying to explain how I've always viewed the Hulk/Banner situation. But if Hulk is to be considered human oh well. No muss no fuss.