Who's faster between Ichigo Kurosaki and Naruto Uzumaki?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
When you knock one domino down and the subsequent 1000 follow suit, how many did you knock down?

All of them. If Ichigo could see the individual petals in bullet time then Zommari, the fastest Espada, should have been able to casually dismiss them.

Mind you none of what you say really matters. The fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, whether the number is accurate being irrelevant. Ichigo is out and out impressed and scared by how fast it moves so it is surely above Byakuya's. If Ichigo did casually swat aside thousands of blades individually in a matter of seconds(he didn't) then it is still below mach 504 which is still below Toneri's mach 1022 attack(this is a very lowballed number, by the way). Naruto didn't use Sage Mode to react to it, wasn't at even half his full power, and basically palmed an attack that cut the moon in half. The power gap is that huge and it certainly applies to speed.

It is impressive. Also below the mach 1000 feat by more than double if you wanna play that game.

The Last is absolutely canon to the manga. The feats in it are as canon as the events of chapter 634(picked at random). Naruto and Sasuke crossed hundreds of miles before the Sage could even finish what he was saying. Naruto ran up the Shenju(a tree taller than the tallest mountains and well above the clouds) in seconds while also in base. He's reacted to lightning several times, blitzed a character Sasuke couldn't(the same Sasuke who flew to well above the clouds and back before Madara's Chibaku Tensei could finish falling). Ichigo and pals are still, at time of writing, running across a landscape a few buildings in length.

Naruto is faster people.

your comparing a feat from the beegging of a show to a feat thats eos

the ich feat is impressive... its also performed in the beginning of the series. unless your trying to tell me ichi hasnt gotten faster and stronger since the ss arc he should still have the edge

Originally posted by AuraAngel
When you knock one domino down and the subsequent 1000 follow suit, how many did you knock down?

All of them. If Ichigo could see the individual petals in bullet time then Zommari, the fastest Espada, should have been able to casually dismiss them.

Mind you none of what you say really matters. The fastest Zanpakuto in the setting is Gin's Bankai, whether the number is accurate being irrelevant. Ichigo is out and out impressed and scared by how fast it moves so it is surely above Byakuya's. If Ichigo did casually swat aside thousands of blades individually in a matter of seconds(he didn't) then it is still below mach 504 which is still below Toneri's mach 1022 attack(this is a very lowballed number, by the way). Naruto didn't use Sage Mode to react to it, wasn't at even half his full power, and basically palmed an attack that cut the moon in half. The power gap is that huge and it certainly applies to speed.

It is impressive. Also below the mach 1000 feat by more than double if you wanna play that game.

The Last is absolutely canon to the manga. The feats in it are as canon as the events of chapter 634(picked at random). Naruto and Sasuke crossed hundreds of miles before the Sage could even finish what he was saying. Naruto ran up the Shenju(a tree taller than the tallest mountains and well above the clouds) in seconds while also in base. He's reacted to lightning several times, blitzed a character Sasuke couldn't(the same Sasuke who flew to well above the clouds and back before Madara's Chibaku Tensei could finish falling). Ichigo and pals are still, at time of writing, running across a landscape a few buildings in length.

Naruto is faster people.

Gin had to catch Aizen off-guard, AND grab his zanpoktou to hurt him, there was no way Gin would be able to Catch Aizen or Daigan Ichigo normally.

Lol that's because Gin himself is slower than his Bankai. None of the Bleach characters at the time were even close to Gin's Bankai speed, including Aizen.

The best they could do is predict where it would extend before he used it. And it's still far slower than Kirin is. To be fair, Itachi hardly fared better than Ichigo.

The speed tiers are relatively level, honestly.

Originally posted by yungz22
your comparing a feat from the beegging of a show to a feat thats eos

the ich feat is impressive... its also performed in the beginning of the series. unless your trying to tell me ichi hasnt gotten faster and stronger since the ss arc he should still have the edge

Of course Ichigo is faster now than when he fought Byakuya. His Dangai form and new Shinigami forms are obviously superior to even his Vizard form(which also had a hard time with Gin's Bankai. No one would deny this fact.

The question is by how much faster are these new forms are compared to Bankai Ichigo? Is his new form 4 times faster? His Dangai 50 times faster? Either one 100 times faster? We don't know. We can't know. It is almost impossible to guess. Dangai Ichigo hopped several miles in one step...but so what? Bankai Ichigo could do that, along with characters like Shunsui and Stark. He was curbing Aizen pretty easily but what does Aizen have going for him? He didn't overwhelm Yoruichi's speed with his own but just used his overwhelming power. He couldn't even catch Ichigo's friends lol. The Ichigo that fought Ginjo could leap miles in SS but again that means nothing without a firm distance. Current Ichigo is still running across a city block with no indication that he's gotten to his location yet.

And you're ignoring that most of Naruto's best showings in terms of distance(climbing the Shenju while Obito/Kakashi talked, crossing hundreds of miles while the Sage talked/before he disappeared) all happened in his base form. He also gets massively faster with stuff like Sage Mode, KCM, Full Kyuubi Mode, and his SotSP mode.

Also you missed the point of the Gin feat. If Gin's Zanpakuto is the fastest(Ichigo struggles with it and doesn't think he's lying) then we can conclude that Byakuya's Bankai is well below it. Even if Ichigo swatted all of the petals out of the sky individually(he didn't) then it is still below Gin's Bankai. The feat is simply not the best Ichigo has.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
...Pretty sure Ichigo and Aizen were faster then Gin in their fight, else would most likely win.

Gin had to catch Aizen off-guard, AND grab his zanpoktou to hurt him, there was no way Gin would be able to Catch Aizen or Daigan Ichigo normally.

Bankai/Vizard Ichigo was slower than Gin because Gin was toying with him. Aizen was of course obviously faster but by how much? We don't know lol. Ichigo is now clearly faster than Gin(how much faster? Beats me) but last I checked he was still running through one of these streets.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
. Dangai Ichigo hopped several miles in one step

show me naruto doing the same.

scans?

Originally posted by yungz22
show me naruto doing the same.

scans?

Kay.

Naruto goes from one side of the Shinju to the other(we know it is the other side because that is where Madara was knocked to). Not the best showing obviously but Naruto does it pretty effortlessly. Even gets there before Sasuke.

Naruto characters do not have major showings done in a single step(not counting the ST techs) but that means nothing really. I promise you that Ichigo can get farther than Goku can in a single step. Doesn't mean Goku is slower lol. Naruto has covered more territory in less time than the Bleach cast by just running it.

Naruto characters are as fast as Kishi needs them to be in the scene. Just like their chakra reservoirs are as large as Kishi needs them to be.

That's why you have instances where 5 seconds is too short a duration for people like Sage Mode Naruto, who has also reacted to and dodged stuff in far less than 5 seconds.

True but that applies to most manga. While you'll find more consistency with it than comics, the characters still vary in terms of stats a lot of the time.

The fact that the Soul Palace is treated as any sort of significant distance is strange to me lol.

Lol, especially considering that in that scene Pain reacts and dodges the last Rasenshuriken in an amount of time that can't even be measured in milliseconds.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kay.

Naruto goes from one side of the Shinju to the other(we know it is the other side because that is where Madara was knocked to). Not the best showing obviously but Naruto does it pretty effortlessly. Even gets there before Sasuke.

Naruto characters do not have major showings done in a single step(not counting the ST techs) but that means nothing really. I promise you that Ichigo can get farther than Goku can in a single step. Doesn't mean Goku is slower lol. Naruto has covered more territory in less time than the Bleach cast by just running it.

lol that wasnt even one step try again

Originally posted by yungz22
lol that wasnt even one step try again

So is there any particular reason why it has to be one step other than it being pseudo cool looking to you? Or are you under the impression Ichigo flash steps with every step. He doesn't by the way. And if you turn a few pages you see quite clearly that Bleach characters *gasp* run!

Naruto is much faster than Gyuki, who literally looks like a tornado when he spins in place.[/ur] Naruto is faster than Minato, who can react to the Juubi Bijudama. Here's a [url=http://img.mangastream.to/manga/naruto/613/011.png]reminder of how fast those can go. Oh and in case you thought I was distracting you from the original showing, here is Sasuke covering the same distance in the time it takes Madara to pop an eye in. Naruto does it too.

You also have no answer to Naruto climbing the Shinju so quickly nor Naruto arriving at the VotE in such a short amount of time.

That thing is larger than several mountains combined. More than 70% of it is well above the highest clouds. Oh and do you see the VotE there? No? Guess that means Naruto had to traverse all that land in a short amount of time. We're talking a couple mountain ranges and at least one forest.

Notice that said mountains are forest-sized as well. 👆

Notice how when Gaara and Sakura are traveling from one portion of the Shinju's roots to another, he tells her: "Only a few more kilometers!"

Originally posted by AuraAngel
So is there any particular reason why it has to be one step other than it being pseudo cool looking to you?

the point of this debate is about speed naruto vs ichi everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
True but that applies to most manga. While you'll find more consistency with it than comics, the characters still vary in terms of stats a lot of the time.

The fact that the Soul Palace is treated as any sort of significant distance is strange to me lol.

Doesn't really excuse the ridiculous inconsistency. But what makes it bad is that it was one of the few times that an actual time-frame was given. Maybe Kishimoto didn't realize how long 5 seconds could be to his superhuman characters.

Haha, yeah. Las Noches was also treated as pretty f***ing big, even though it was what, town sized?

Also, what instances are you talking about when you say that Naruto reacted to lightning?

Originally posted by yungz22
the point of this debate is about speed everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Neither, based on the information you've given.

Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

i guess i gave ppl too much credit.

apparently people arent smart enough to know that the average step usually occurs in a second lol

cmon now we are all smart enough to know what i meant

Originally posted by yungz22
the point of this debate is about speed naruto vs ichi everything else is irrelavent.

whats faster when you travel a mile in one step or if you take multiple steps to travel a mile?

Whoever gets there first is the fastest. Simple as that lol. Bleach would curb Judal in a foot race of any kind but that means nothing to the guy who can teleport across countries with ease lol.

Ichigo has never used flash steps to run a great distance. He uses them for one quick step to better his position or to make a point.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Doesn't really excuse the ridiculous inconsistency. But what makes it bad is that it was one of the few times that an actual time-frame was given. Maybe Kishimoto didn't realize how long 5 seconds could be to his superhuman characters.

Haha, yeah. Las Noches was also treated as pretty f***ing big, even though it was what, town sized?

Also, what instances are you talking about when you say that Naruto reacted to lightning?

Neither, based on the information you've given.

Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.

Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.

The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.

I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.

Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.

Originally posted by yungz22
i guess i gave ppl too much credit.

apparently people arent smart enough to know that the average step usually occurs in a second lol

cmon now we are all smart enough to know what i meant

Based on what you've seen, who is faster in a foot race: Goku or Ichigo? Goku has never done anything like a Flash Step before. Ever.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Whoever gets there first is the fastest. Simple as that lol. Bleach would curb Judal in a foot race of any kind but that means nothing to the guy who can teleport across countries with ease lol.

Ichigo has never used flash steps to run a great distance. He uses them for one quick step to better his position or to make a point.

Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.

The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.

I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.

Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.

Based on what you've seen, who is faster in a foot race: Goku or Ichigo? Goku has never done anything like a Flash Step before. Ever.

the attempt at deflection is hilarious

ok fine show me naruto travel miles in a couple seconds.... maybe i should have said that instead of steps cuz apparently ppl on here dont have the capacity to understand a concept guess i gave to much credit

Well Naruto and Sasuke went from here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/10

to here:http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/14 in the time it took Hagoromo to finish talking to Kakashi.

There's also the fact that Naruto blocked an attack that crossed the diameter of the moon point blank.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well Naruto and Sasuke went from here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/10

to here:http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/693/14 in the time it took Hagoromo to finish talking to Kakashi.

There's also the fact that Naruto blocked an attack that crossed the diameter of the moon point blank.

He blocked the second one. Did you even watch the movie? 😬