Originally posted by Stoic
So then in that case whenever we debate Thor, the Hulk and other characters, we can go with the full capacity rule and say that the Hulk hits with world breaking blows, and Thor whips up storms capable of tearing stars apart. Never mind the idea that the character is too dumb to realize that such force would kill their opponent and all of the rest of humanity along with them. On one hand you say that you're respecting the characterization put in place by these writers, while also ignoring the nature of what it means to be a super hero. If Superman is far weaker than his opponent, and his opponent hits him in this state, it means that he's going to be kayoed or worse. Try it yourself, go out and wrestle a 700lb hungry Kodiak Bear, and if possible come back and tell me how you did.
In a full capacity fight, based on what Juntai is saying,full capacity, people like Thor, Surfer, Genis, and Sentry should crush Superman with ease. Their only prayer for Superman to stand a chance against these guys is speed. That's their ONLY argument because based off full capacity, the people I've named would make short work of him and all of them are Heralds. I can add some more people to that list as well that would wreck him with full capacity off.
Originally posted by Stoic"Wahhh, I hate the rules because I can't prove my character is stronger than Superman. So I'm gonna make up ridiculous scenarios and suggest you fight a bear."
So then in that case whenever we debate Thor, the Hulk and other characters, we can go with the full capacity rule and say that the Hulk hits with world breaking blows, and Thor whips up storms capable of tearing stars apart. Never mind the idea that the character is too dumb to realize that such force would kill their opponent and all of the rest of humanity along with them. On one hand you say that you're respecting the characterization put in place by these writers, while also ignoring the nature of what it means to be a super hero. If Superman is far weaker than his opponent, and his opponent hits him in this state, it means that he's going to be kayoed or worse. Try it yourself, go out and wrestle a 700lb hungry Kodiak Bear, and if possible come back and tell me how you did.
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Originally posted by carver9False. Superrman actually flat out overpowers guys in trans tier and godlike brackets.
In a full capacity fight, based on what Juntai is saying,full capacity, people like Thor, Surfer, Genis, and Sentry should crush Superman with ease. Their only prayer for Superman to stand a chance against these guys is speed. That's their ONLY argument because based off full capacity, the people I've named would make short work of him and all of them are Heralds. I can add some more people to that list as well that would wreck him with full capacity off.
Surfer and Thor run into trans tiers and get crushed, even if they're amped.
In fact, Superman has defeated most of the DC characters listed in the trans tier in the old thread. Even has winning record against most of them that he's fought.
One of which he simply hit with an eye blast.
Another he just walked through all her magic attacks like it wasn't even happening and laid her flat.
Powered up Hulk runs into a god, sucker punches and gets rekt.
Thanos takes on a god. Gets rekt.
Surfer or Thor take on Thanos and get rekt.
Superman takes on a trans, damn near one shots.
Superman takes on a god, beats the piss out of him.
It's different levels.
Originally posted by Juntai
"Wahhh, I hate the rules because I can't prove my character is stronger than Superman. So I'm gonna make up ridiculous scenarios and suggest you fight a bear."😆
Well then show me where Superman is seen to be vastly stronger than BA when they had that brief pushing match. Either he's holding back, or he isn't. Which one is it going to be? Either he holds back 99% of the time due to mental blocks, or he doesn't. If he holds back so much, what changes in this scenario? What we saw was Superman being shown to be on equal footing with BA in that scan near the start of this thread. However in this case BA is coming in at double that, which means that in order for Superman to stop holding back, he would have to read BA's mind before he took a crippling punch from someone that at base held his ground against him. not sure what's so hard to understand about this?
Originally posted by ghostman
you post pictures of supermans bulge and someone feeling on supermans nuts also have his symbol in your sig and youre in every superman thread everyday going against him. this is what pathetic would look like personified
It's also a clear indicator he's obsessed with him and probably secretly has a "thing" for him. 😉
Perhaps he dreams about his crotch area every night accompanied with "wet" little accidents. 😱
LOL.
Originally posted by StoicSuperman showed the ability to escalate the fight out of Adam's range, where he didn't want to fight anymore simply by deciding to so.
Well then show me where Superman is seen to be vastly stronger than BA when they had that brief pushing match. Either he's holding back, or he isn't. Which one is it going to be? Either he holds back 99% of the time due to mental blocks, or he doesn't. If he holds back so much, what changes in this scenario? What we saw was Superman being shown to be on equal footing with BA in that scan near the start of this thread. However in this case BA is coming in at double that, which means that in order for Superman to stop holding back, he would have to read BA's mind before he took a crippling punch from someone that at base held his ground against him. not sure what's so hard to understand about this?
If that direct comparison weren't enough, look at their battles against SBP on various occasions has Adam's best attacks getting literally laughed off and slapped away like a ***** while Superman frequently looked as good or better than Prime. Even powered up Prime.
Levels Adam just can't get to. How many degrees of power do you think separate those levels of ability?
The difference on the forum is that Superman isn't bound by plot to give Adam a fighting chance.
He's at full capacity with no pis.
He doesn't have to escalate.
He'll simply come out of the gate fighting at levels on par/beyond guys that laugh at Adam.
The same is true with Lobo. Lobo is an insect next to Supergirl and broke his hand swinging at Darkseid, but Superman - who's more powerful than both will fight him for a whole issues and pretend to be impressed.
This is pis. Superman fighting down to his level for sake of plot when we know the moment he decides not to, he makes this level of power look like the bottom floor of a Dubai skyscraper.
Do you get it yet?
Originally posted by Stoicif you believe someone only 2x stronger than another will give the weaker a crippling blow with just one punch then Superman one shots Thor and Surfer. And US agent one shots CA. Bane one shots Batman, etc. Sounds crazy? That's because it is.
Well then show me where Superman is seen to be vastly stronger than BA when they had that brief pushing match. Either he's holding back, or he isn't. Which one is it going to be? Either he holds back 99% of the time due to mental blocks, or he doesn't. If he holds back so much, what changes in this scenario? What we saw was Superman being shown to be on equal footing with BA in that scan near the start of this thread. However in this case BA is coming in at double that, which means that in order for Superman to stop holding back, he would have to read BA's mind before he took a crippling punch from someone that at base held his ground against him. not sure what's so hard to understand about this?
I still dont see why superman couldnt simply physically restarin black adam if he was stronger than him???
in fact he actually tried several times in the comic to no avail.
if anything that comic proved superman is NOT physically stronger than black adam.
why the **** would you hold back when trying to physically restrain someone? Especially when i tried mutiple times and got made embarrassed of with clothes ripping off and everthing? then resort to a stupid tactic such as hitting with force of the moon and killing everyone around? couldnt he channel that "moon force" into physical strength?
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRockso you are unfamiliar with Superman's mental blocks. They are subconscious, not conscious. He can only release them under meditation or extreme circumstances (like in DOS).
I still dont see why superman couldnt simply physically restarin black adam if he was stronger than him???in fact he actually tried several times in the comic to no avail.
if anything that comic proved superman is NOT physically stronger than black adam.
why the **** would you hold back when trying to physically restrain someone? Especially when i tried mutiple times and got made embarrassed of with clothes ripping off and everthing? then resort to a stupid tactic such as hitting with force of the moon and killing everyone around? couldnt he channel that "moon force" into physical strength?
Superman can always dial it up a few notches if he needs to. Look at him vs. Prime and BA vs. Prime. The comic showed the significant difference in power of the two.
Originally posted by h1a8So he knew how to release his mental blocks in his fight with BA?
so you are unfamiliar with Superman's mental blocks. They are subconscious, not conscious. He can only release them under meditation or extreme circumstances (like in DOS).
For example, in DOS, Superman went from hitting DD with all his might (even trying to restrain him at times), with almost no effect, to killing him in a few panels when he released his blocks. This is more than a 2x increase.
In OWAW, Superman went from using all of his might fighting a probe for hours and not doing really any damage to one shotting them with ease after training on how to release mental blocks.Superman can always dial it up a few notches if he needs to. Look at him vs. Prime and BA vs. Prime. The comic showed the significant difference in power of the two.
Or did that fight happen before OWAW?
Originally posted by Mindset
So he knew how to release his mental blocks in his fight with BA?Or did that fight happen before OWAW?
I dunno if you're just trying to get him going or test him, or if that's legitimate, but the Black Adam tussle the scans in the thread are from is a tie in to Infinite Crisis, several years later.
By the time that rolls around, though several series' of stories we learn they aren't blocks in the same manner as they were back in OWAW, and that while he limits himself, its all much more fluid -- explaining the ramp in the type of enemies he began steamrolling after OWAW, and the feats that coincide with it.
We learned that things like stress, anger, need, desire, etc, can all open up Superman's power if he chooses to display/use it.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno if you're just trying to get him going or test him, or if that's legitimate, but the Black Adam tussle the scans in the thread are from is a tie in to Infinite Crisis, several years later.By the time that rolls around, though several series' of stories we learn they aren't blocks in the same manner as they were back in OWAW, and that while he limits himself, its all much more fluid -- explaining the ramp in the type of enemies he began steamrolling after OWAW, and the feats that coincide with it.
We learned that things like stress, anger, need, desire, etc, can all open up Superman's power if he chooses to display/use it.
I think he means Superman vs BA which was during the Byrne era iirc.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I think he means Superman vs BA which was during the Byrne era iirc.
And here i thought that the scan used in this thread when Superman was struggling to even budge BA was written after the year 2000? I mean I actually have the book, and the only thing that had anything to do with John Byrne was that he sketched it.
Originally posted by Juntai
And Superman wasn't truly struggling, he wasn't even trying yet.
As I said, the narration has him escalate from throwing canon-like punches, to small bombs, to punches that would shatter a moon.
Once he cranked it up, Adam gave up.
Any proof that BA gave up because Superman thought that he could crack a moon with his punches? I didn't exactly get that impression from the context presented in the comic.