Black Adam amp2x Vs Superman

Originally posted by Stoic
Any proof that BA gave up because Superman thought that he could crack a moon with his punches? I didn't exactly get that impression from the context presented in the comic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Works for me.

Proof? But, let's lead on to your next point...

Please post hard numbers of Superman's reflex speed, please.

Then post hard scans of Superman's reflex speed, with numbers.

You can see in the scan, they say he is 500...then 300...then 100 miles away. Let's say that's a second in between. Obviously, he is NOT travelling at ~300 trillion mph, which is what he was at when he hit the field (and in this thread, he would be at 600 trillion mph). Ergo, he accelerated to that speed over a MUCH shorter distance (and here, he has 2x the acceleration). Why would it matter, anyway? There are no limits on the battlefield here.

What if hats were ants? Which is to say, nothing was given in there, so you are just reaching.

So, proof they were at full speed reflex wise? A wise poster often points out to others on this forum that for the sake of plot, characters often job in their speed. Notably, when said poster is arguing against Thanus. So, proof that bizarro/WW weren't jobbing?

Considering he called the lightning down before MM could react, I'd say he's got a good chance. But of course, MM was jobbing his speed there, right? Unlike Bizarro and WW, who obv weren't.

So. none.

PG was specifically stated to have been angrier than she had ever been before. Jay had never seen her output that much power. So she was obv going all out.

Mental blocks, which strangely, even thought the OP did not mention it, have been taken off for this fight. How mysterious.

Did the surroundings burn up, as with BA?

A useless point. That BA was at 25%. Here, he is at 200%.

I am indeed.

Against Toyman. Let me refresh your memory on what CIS actually means:

That sounds like Superman to a T.

Agreed.

Superman has analyzed things in the Pico second ranged. I posted a scan of it a while ago. I'll try to find it again.

Superman has also blocked light speed attacks from a few feet away. That's nanosecond reflexes there.

So BA was covering 200 miles every second? That's 720,000 miles per hour. So their numbers of the force field was wrong. It was much weaker than they thought.

Battlefield distance is 0.5km. That's the limit.

You didn't understand. Characters power fluctuate from comic to comic . A character can casually exert more force in an issue than in another issue where they were actually using all of their might.

What does Bizzaro or WW being frozen have to do with speed? They couldn't break free. Thus the ice was stronger than them.

If you are implying that they could have used speed to avoid being frozen then you have a point. Unless Superman froze them very fast. Some freezing will slow them and more will halt them. Superman could also stun ba and then freeze him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman has analyzed things in the Pico second ranged. I posted a scan of it a while ago. I'll try to find it again.

Superman has also blocked light speed attacks from a few feet away. That's nanosecond reflexes there.

So BA was covering 200 miles every second? That's 720,000 miles per hour. So their numbers of the force field was wrong. It was much weaker than they thought.

Battlefield distance is 0.5km. That's the limit.

You didn't understand. Characters power fluctuate from comic to comic . A character can casually exert more force in an issue than in another issue where they were actually using all of their might.

What does Bizzaro or WW being frozen have to do with speed? They couldn't break free. Thus the ice was stronger than them.

If you are implying that they could have used speed to avoid being frozen then you have a point. Unless Superman froze them very fast. Some freezing will slow them and more will halt them. Superman could also stun ba and then freeze him.

Read the scan again. And read my post again. In the initial part of BA's journey, he was probably going around 200miles/sec. In the LAST part of his journey, just before he smacks into the shield, in the split second before his fists make impact - he's going at a speed that will give him enough KE to smash that field.

You asserted that he doesn't have the space/time to accelerate to those speeds. And that he needed miles and miles of space to accelerate to those speeds, which he wouldn't have here.

BUT, reread my post. I am saying his acceleration is so top notch, he could go from 200miles/sec (thanks for kindly scaling it up to mph), to 300 trillion mph, in a VERY short distance. Thus making your assertation he needed miles and miles of space, moot.

I DO understand your point. You just don't see how hypocritical you are. Bizarro and WW, in your examples, were jobbing their speed (and got hit), and were jobbing their strength (to be encased by ice).

But of course, that only works when its in your favour, no?

300 trillion mph? Where did you pull up that from?

Originally posted by abhilegend
300 trillion mph? Where did you pull up that from?

H1 style maths.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/3jVv0Zx.jpg

I do love how you ask others for proof, but post none of your own.

That scan, incidentally, shows that the perimeter field could withstand a direct asteroid hit which killed the dinos.

That asteroid outputted 4.2 x 10^23 Joules of energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater)

So let's be generous, and say BA was outputting that amount of energy when he hit it (when he was obviously > that).

ASsume he is 100kg.

So using KE = 1/2mv^2, that means his velocity was ~91.7billion m/sec. So a bit more than Mach 500, no?

And he's now 2x that.

I made a mistake. It was actually 205 billion mph. So doubling that makes him 410 billion mph

You are assuming he can only exert 100 kg force?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
You are assuming he can only exert 100 kg force?

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No, am assuming that when he smacked into the force field, his fists were travelling at that speed.

Same way I (consistently) look at the Gray Hulk smacking into the asteroid. Not a strength feat, but more like BA was using his flight speed to propel himself like a human sized bullet at the forcefield.

eclipso amped bloodlusted superman had the same problem budging Captain Marvel. An Amped Superman

who also got pwned by spectre were blackadam Owned Spectre

@h18h

what do you say about an AMPED Bloodlusted Superman failing to restrain Captain Marvel who is black adams Equal?

A Captain Marvel who was barley trying to fight back????

Superman and the marvels have EQUAL Strength. where feats go to supes because of popularity

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, am assuming that when he smacked into the force field, his fists were travelling at that speed.

Same way I (consistently) look at the Gray Hulk smacking into the asteroid. Not a strength feat, but more like BA was using his flight speed to propel himself like a human sized bullet at the forcefield.

That's pretty hard to assume. Any proof of it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he wasn't using his strength whatsoever?

That's pretty hard to assume. Any proof of it?

Because to do so would push him away.

Nonetheless, regardless of strength, his fists are still travelling at that speed. In order to have that much energy at the point of impact.

So either its a reflex feat (so he can move his fists at that speed), or a travelling speed feat (he can fly at that speed).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because to do so would push him away.

Nonetheless, regardless of strength, his fists are still travelling at that speed. In order to have that much energy at the point of impact.

So either its a reflex feat (so he can move his fists at that speed), or a travelling speed feat (he can fly at that speed).

It's highly improbable to think he used solely speed to break through the shield.

Or the writer writing him travelling at billions of miles per hour. The person calling his distance wouldn't even be able to utter a word before Adam could break the shield at that speed.

It's a strength feat, not a speed feat. Don't try to think like h1a8.

You're much better than that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not necessarily. He can just punch his way in.

It's highly improbable to think he used solely speed to break through the shield.

Or the writer writing him travelling at billions of miles per hour. The person calling his distance wouldn't even be able to utter a word before Adam could break the shield at that speed.

It's a strength feat, not a speed feat. Don't try to think like h1a8.

You're much better than that.

An uninhibited Superman could utilize his speed to exponentially increase his strength beyond physical levels. In effect Superman could tap every wavelength of energy with enough kinetic energy.

Superman easily takes this

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Read the scan again. And read my post again. In the initial part of BA's journey, he was probably going around 200miles/sec. In the LAST part of his journey, just before he smacks into the shield, in the split second before his fists make impact - he's going at a speed that will give him enough KE to smash that field.

You asserted that he doesn't have the space/time to accelerate to those speeds. And that he needed miles and miles of space to accelerate to those speeds, which he wouldn't have here.

BUT, reread my post. I am saying his acceleration is so top notch, he could go from 200miles/sec (thanks for kindly scaling it up to mph), to 300 trillion mph, in a VERY short distance. Thus making your assertation he needed miles and miles of space, moot.

I DO understand your point. You just don't see how hypocritical you are. Bizarro and WW, in your examples, were jobbing their speed (and got hit), and were jobbing their strength (to be encased by ice).

But of course, that only works when its in your favour, no?

1. BA was going 200mi/sec constantly before he was 100 miles away.
2. When BA got to 100 miles away it took him several seconds to hit the shield.
3. If BA stayed at 200mi/s then he would have hit the shield in 0.5 second. But it took much longer than 0.5 sec.
4. Therefore, either BA stopped at 100 miles away before preceding to hit the shield, or he stopped when he got to the shield and struck it with a standstill blow.
5. Accelerating from 200mi/s (321896m/s) to 91.7billion m/s in 100mi (160934.5m) gives a time duration of 4 microseconds (which contradicts what happened).
6. In D.C relativity works. So BA needed not to go beyond light speed (3billion m/s) to achieve this feat from a flying start. He could have simply accelerated to near lightspeed to achieve the feat.
7. Using 6. the time of duration is now 0.0001 s. (1000 microseconds). This still contradicts the panel. So he must have stop at the shield and struck it or hit it multiple times.

Finally, Superman has walked and talked within a nanosecond. He could easily freeze someone in a very short amount of time.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
@h18h

what do you say about an AMPED Bloodlusted Superman failing to restrain Captain Marvel who is black adams Equal?

A Captain Marvel who was barley trying to fight back????

Superman and the marvels have EQUAL Strength. where feats go to supes because of popularity

Next go to the prime incident. BA was hitting Prime with absolutely no effect. Superman bloodied primes nose and was significantly affecting prime. This is a huge difference in power. Wouldn't that display Superman being significantly more powerful than BA?

Next go to the Doomsday incident. Superman hitting DD with all his might for a whole day with no damage. Then suddenly Superman snaps and kills DD in a few panels. This is a massive increase in power. Superman in the beginning would have been equal to CM right? But Superman in the end was far above CM right?

Next go back in years time where Superman was a lot weaker than current Superman. He was shown to be CM physical equal back then right? Now fast forward to when multiple current comics were explaining that Superman power has increased significantly (he's now at planet moving levels and levels enough to physically beat up DS). Shouldn't Superman increased over CM too?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Read the scan again. And read my post again. In the initial part of BA's journey, he was probably going around 200miles/sec. In the LAST part of his journey, just before he smacks into the shield, in the split second before his fists make impact - he's going at a speed that will give him enough KE to smash that field.

You asserted that he doesn't have the space/time to accelerate to those speeds. And that he needed miles and miles of space to accelerate to those speeds, which he wouldn't have here.

BUT, reread my post. I am saying his acceleration is so top notch, he could go from 200miles/sec (thanks for kindly scaling it up to mph), to 300 trillion mph, in a VERY short distance. Thus making your assertation he needed miles and miles of space, moot.

I DO understand your point. You just don't see how hypocritical you are. Bizarro and WW, in your examples, were jobbing their speed (and got hit), and were jobbing their strength (to be encased by ice).

But of course, that only works when its in your favour, no?

Also I forgot another detail that destroys the argument.
BA can punch while he's flying. For example, if he flies at 100,000 mi/s then he only needs to punch the remaining difference of 82,282mi/s to achieve the feat (using relativity).

You done?

So superman is physically the strongest herald level character in comics?

Basically supermans stregth is 100% while black adam only has 2% of the strength? While wonder woman and green latern wouldnt even fit on the scale?

And people like thor become insignifficant?

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
So superman is physically the strongest herald level character in comics?

Basically supermans stregth is 100% while black adam only has 2% of the strength? While wonder woman and green latern wouldnt even fit on the scale?

And people like thor become insignifficant?

Originally posted by D-Block
BA with ease with these stips